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Old 08-11-2009, 01:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi,

My about 4-year-old cat is currently on Royal Canin hypoallergenic HP food. The protein source of this food is soy, because she's allergic to all animal protein (I tried EVERYTHING, including grain-free super premium foods, dry and canned, but she had constant diarrhea all over the house; the Royal Canin food stopped that.)
Right now, she's sick. They're not sure what's wrong, but I took her in to get her teeth cleaned, and the routine bloodwork revealed that some kind of liver enzyme or something was 800 when it should be 130, and her bilirubin was increased, which is indicative of infection. Thus, I need to give her antibiotics.
The problem is that the antibiotics should be taken after she's eaten, as they cause upset stomach, but I can't force her to eat her kibble. If I had a canned food to give her, then I think she'd eat that willingly. But as it is, all the canned foods I've seen contain animal protein. I tried to feed her pieces of a soy Boca burger, but she wouldn't eat it.
I'm concerned about her not eating, because she's quite thin, and has no weight to lose.
So, if anyone knows of a soy canned cat food, I'd really appreciate it!

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Old 08-11-2009, 06:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I *highly* doubt your cat is allergic to ALL animal proteins. Cats cannot thrive on a food without meat, they are obligate carnivores. Could you tell me what foods you have tried and how long you tried each food? Have you considered trying raw? Diarrhea sounds like IBD which is an allergic reaction or irritation that causes upset tummies. Feeding raw which is simple with very few ingredients and is not processed, can often cure IBD. Chicken and fish are also common allergens, have you fed foods without any chicken or fish? I really cannot see you having a healthy cat on a food without meat.

Have you tried these formulas, they have no chicken or fish:
http://www.evopet.com/products/default.asp?id=1664 -only beef-grain free
http://www.evopet.com/products/default.asp?id=1663 -only duck-grain free
http://www.evopet.com/products/default.asp?id=1665 -only venison-grain free

http://www.bynaturepetfoods.com/product ... at.php#ttl -the turkey one
http://www.naturesvariety.com/instinct_cat_can_beef -only beef
http://www.naturesvariety.com/instinct_cat_can_lamb -only lamb
http://www.naturesvariety.com/instinct_cat_can_rabbit -rabbit and pork liver
http://www.naturesvariety.com/instinct_cat_can_duck -duck and turkey liver
http://www.naturesvariety.com/instinct_cat_can_venison -venison and pork liver

http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/catfor ... anned.html -venison and green pea formula

http://www.merrickpetcare.com/store/det ... 52&s=20246 -beef

http://www.ziwipeak.com/nzl/cuisinefamily.shtml -the lamb one and the one with just venison

The reason you can't find a say based cat food is because soy is considered one of the ingredients to avoid for dogs and cats, they often cause problems, including allergies in cats and dogs, most foods boast about not containing soy. If you honestly tried these foods with one meat source that was not chicken or fish for a good amount of time and really had no luck I'd try raw before I fed my cat anything without meat.
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Old 08-11-2009, 07:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Agreed. It's highly unlikely, to say the least, that your cat is allergic to all animal protein. And soy is a huge allergen for cats so you should always steer clear of it even in a healthy cat. How long has she had this diarrhea? What does it look like? Yellow? Is it particularly smelly? Are there other symptoms like vomiting? A little more detailed info and history would be helpful.
For now, I'm assuming that your vet has ruled out all parasites. Giardia and coccidia are the most common causes of unexplained diarrhea and are quite difficult to diagnose so, I'd start there.
Has your vet done any extras or an ultrasound to find out if there's anything going on there? Like a blockage or IBD? If this has been going on for more than a couple of weeks, that should be done.
I would take your cat off ALL dry food and get her on a good quality, hypo-allergenic diet like Natural Balance venison or duck and pea right away. You need to keep a cat on one diet (no snacks or treats) for at least 8 weeks in order to tell if it's working. Anything less than that is a waste of time and constant food changes can add to the problem or even be the cause of tummy upset.
If your cat has had diarrhea for a long time and is experiencing weight loss, it's quite serious and you may need to find another vet who can find some answers and/or be more aggressive with them and demand testing and a diagnosis before much more time goes by.
Gotta run for now but, hopefully, you can give us some more info and we can help a bit more.
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Old 08-12-2009, 01:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I *highly* doubt your cat is allergic to ALL animal proteins. Cats cannot thrive on a food without meat, they are obligate carnivores. Could you tell me what foods you have tried and how long you tried each food? Have you considered trying raw? Diarrhea sounds like IBD which is an allergic reaction or irritation that causes upset tummies. Feeding raw which is simple with very few ingredients and is not processed, can often cure IBD. Chicken and fish are also common allergens, have you fed foods without any chicken or fish? I really cannot see you having a healthy cat on a food without meat.

Have you tried these formulas, they have no chicken or fish:
http://www.evopet.com/products/default.asp?id=1664 -only beef-grain free
http://www.evopet.com/products/default.asp?id=1663 -only duck-grain free
http://www.evopet.com/products/default.asp?id=1665 -only venison-grain free

http://www.bynaturepetfoods.com/product ... at.php#ttl -the turkey one
http://www.naturesvariety.com/instinct_cat_can_beef -only beef
http://www.naturesvariety.com/instinct_cat_can_lamb -only lamb
http://www.naturesvariety.com/instinct_cat_can_rabbit -rabbit and pork liver
http://www.naturesvariety.com/instinct_cat_can_duck -duck and turkey liver
http://www.naturesvariety.com/instinct_cat_can_venison -venison and pork liver

http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/catfor ... anned.html -venison and green pea formula

http://www.merrickpetcare.com/store/det ... 52&s=20246 -beef

http://www.ziwipeak.com/nzl/cuisinefamily.shtml -the lamb one and the one with just venison

The reason you can't find a say based cat food is because soy is considered one of the ingredients to avoid for dogs and cats, they often cause problems, including allergies in cats and dogs, most foods boast about not containing soy. If you honestly tried these foods with one meat source that was not chicken or fish for a good amount of time and really had no luck I'd try raw before I fed my cat anything without meat.
The last food that I tried was Wellness, which I read good things about. I used the chicken and turkey varieties. I didn't know that chicken was a common allergen. I really don't want to do raw. I cut out beef and fish in the foods that I gave her, because I read that those are common allergens. When I took her off the dry food I was feeding her (it was a grain free food, can't remember the name) and put her on Meow Mix wholesome goodness, she immediately stopped having diarrhea all over the house, but still had it in her box, and had a few accidents on the mat outside of her box. I switched to Wellness, and she had some blood in her diarrhea (I only had her on Wellness for a few weeks). The vet then suggested the hypoallergenic food, and she hasn't had a problem since.

I'm just really nervous to switch at this point. She's quite thin and has no weight to lose, and I nervous that she's going to start having diarrhea all over the house again. But maybe I'll try it once she's feeling better. I don't know if it's a good idea at this point, with her being sick.

Thanks for your suggestions
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Old 08-12-2009, 01:39 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Agreed. It's highly unlikely, to say the least, that your cat is allergic to all animal protein. And soy is a huge allergen for cats so you should always steer clear of it even in a healthy cat. How long has she had this diarrhea? What does it look like? Yellow? Is it particularly smelly? Are there other symptoms like vomiting? A little more detailed info and history would be helpful.
For now, I'm assuming that your vet has ruled out all parasites. Giardia and coccidia are the most common causes of unexplained diarrhea and are quite difficult to diagnose so, I'd start there.
Has your vet done any extras or an ultrasound to find out if there's anything going on there? Like a blockage or IBD? If this has been going on for more than a couple of weeks, that should be done.
I would take your cat off ALL dry food and get her on a good quality, hypo-allergenic diet like Natural Balance venison or duck and pea right away. You need to keep a cat on one diet (no snacks or treats) for at least 8 weeks in order to tell if it's working. Anything less than that is a waste of time and constant food changes can add to the problem or even be the cause of tummy upset.
If your cat has had diarrhea for a long time and is experiencing weight loss, it's quite serious and you may need to find another vet who can find some answers and/or be more aggressive with them and demand testing and a diagnosis before much more time goes by.
Gotta run for now but, hopefully, you can give us some more info and we can help a bit more.
Her diarrhea was yellow and very smelly. Before she was on this current food, she threw up more than an average cat. They tested her for Giardia and coccidia, and though she was negative, they treated her anyway, just in case.
I'm not sure if they've done an ultrasound. I had her into the emergency vet once, and they did a bunch of expensive tests, and ultrasound may have been one, but I'm not sure.
She is the hungriest cat that I've ever met. She begs like a dog, and will pounce on any food that you leave lying around.
Once she's over this bout of illness, maybe I'll try a different canned food again, but I'm quite nervous about that. I hate to irritate her digestive system again, and have to clean up diarrhea all over the house.
I just think it's weird that her problems cleared up once she started this food, if it's not good for her. But maybe I need to try lamb or something.

Thanks for your help
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she could have felt better simply because whatever ingredient was causing it was removed, if you didn't try anything else without chicken I would do it before settling on this food. I worry about the cat's long term health, she could do fine on it for a while, months even, but I'd expect her overall condition to decline in time. I totally understand being worried about setting off the problems again, perhaps give her a few more weeks on this food and slowly start introducing one of the chicken free foods and see what happens. If she starts with loose stools you know that you can stop and go back to this food for a while. Was her appetite this large on the other foods?
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she could have felt better simply because whatever ingredient was causing it was removed, if you didn't try anything else without chicken I would do it before settling on this food. I worry about the cat's long term health, she could do fine on it for a while, months even, but I'd expect her overall condition to decline in time. I totally understand being worried about setting off the problems again, perhaps give her a few more weeks on this food and slowly start introducing one of the chicken free foods and see what happens. If she starts with loose stools you know that you can stop and go back to this food for a while. Was her appetite this large on the other foods?
Yes, she's always begged for food. She gained a little bit of weight when I switched her to the hypoallergenic food, but I'm surprised that she hasn't gained more. I don't know if she's just prone to be thin, or she has some kind of absorption issue. I think I will go and get some of the canned food. There's a natural pet store that my mom gets her dogs' food from, so I bet they'll have something. I just got a new kitten, and while I've been giving him some canned food, he also eats her hypoallergenic food (I can't really keep him away from it), so I suppose it would be good to find a new food for that reason, as well.
I talked to the vet today, and she said that if she doesn't respond to the current treatment, she wants to do an ultrasound. Maybe I'll ask for her to do one anyway.
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My Abby had constant diarrhea and was diagnosed with IBD. I tried many foods, including grain free wet, with no success. I was lucky to come across a dehydrated raw food from Honest Kitchen that has done wonders for her. No more diarrhea. It is mainly chicken. You may find it at the natural pet store or you can get it online. It is not that expensive (a 2 lb. box lasts about a month) and is easy to prepare. If your cat has IBD, a raw diet is worth a try.
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I too have heard that if a cat has IBD raw might be the only way to fix it without sacrificing other aspects of health. I remember reading in Elizabeth Hodgkins book that IBD was the only diet related problem she often couldnt help with good canned, hypoallergenic food and she needed to do raw for. pre-made is one way to go but it is expensive and you have to watch out for recipes containing grains, fruits and veggies but if you do your homework in finding a good one it can fix your IBD problem (if that's what he has). I like making my own because I can use a lot of variety, know what I am feeding and it's CHEAP. For Willie I made 24 meals of chicken thigh for $7 (although we are talking about a small cat (9 pounds) whose meals size is 1.5 ounces). If I was buying cans that would be about $24. If some of these canned formulas don't work and you DO consider making your own raw I'd be more than happy to help.
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I've read contradicting info when it comes to feeding raw to an IBD cat. Since there is risk involved I would consider it a last resort if nothing else works. The dehydrated raw seems like a better option as I have to believe that the bacteria would not survive the dehydrating process.

Holistic treatment options also start with diet, usually a homemade one. However, raw meat diets may be risky in IBD cats, because inflammation weakens the body's defenses against foreign bacteria. A balanced diet based on lightly cooked meat may be a safer option; and still allows a transition to a raw diet as your cat's health improves.

http://www.littlebigcat.com/index.php?a ... w&item=011

My Callie had IBD and the vet prescribed the RC soy based food (this was before I knew anything about cat nutrition), it gave Callie projectile vomiting all over the place.
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