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Old 12-31-2012, 10:29 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I completely disagree that there are more good vets than bad. Most vets don't give s hoot about your pet anymore. It's a business like anything else now adays. Most vets know right away what's wrong but withhold info until they get sick as treatment is much more costly than prevention . I have been to 4 different vets in my life and all of them are scammers/did a bad job/ misdiagnosed on more than one occasion, etc. I found a new vet near me that I am taking my dog to wednesday(she has a few things I want looked at) and on the phone the tech was very I formative and seemed to care. I wanted to get her heartworm tested now but she said its too early. Last year her old vet she needed it ASAP when she didn't so we will see if this place is finally decent but I won't get my hopes up.


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Old 12-31-2012, 11:41 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I completely disagree that there are more good vets than bad. Most vets don't give s hoot about your pet anymore. It's a business like anything else now adays. Most vets know right away what's wrong but withhold info until they get sick as treatment is much more costly than prevention . I have been to 4 different vets in my life and all of them are scammers/did a bad job/ misdiagnosed on more than one occasion, etc. I found a new vet near me that I am taking my dog to wednesday(she has a few things I want looked at) and on the phone the tech was very I formative and seemed to care. I wanted to get her heartworm tested now but she said its too early. Last year her old vet she needed it ASAP when she didn't so we will see if this place is finally decent but I won't get my hopes up.
I second this sad to say..... It really irks me that these people who have put the time and money into getting into a vet school and passing dont REALLY CARE about the animals. If I had the money I would have been to veterinarian school a long time ago and I actually give two hoots I know you prolly cant make a big impact being a Vet Tech like im doing now but its better than nothing. Maybe someday Vet school for me will be on the agenda. But seriously back to the subject do any of you know how HARD it is to get into a vet school??? I live near Kansas State's and only 100 of the 1000s that apply actually get in! Those are terrible odds! I knew a girl in my class that tried three years in a row to get into that school and she missed it every time and she didnt know what she was gonna do otherwise. She was an awesome student too good grades volunteer work multiple experiences in a vets office but she couldnt get in. Not only is it extremely hard to get in but it costs 100,000s of dollars in tuition just to complete it! Now WHY in the h*ll would you put that much effort and money into vet school then not CARE about the animals is BEYOND me.... I dont get it at all and I never will. The sad part is most students Kstate takes are OUT OF STATE meaning they prefer to take out of state students over their own because they are getting paid more money for out of state tuition. Once again from the beginning its about money instead of the animals and that is SAD! Maybe in certain areas there maybe are more good vets than bad but in my area its the total opposite... Ive probably been to 4 or 5 different vets in the past 2 years and I have my beef with all except my current one but I dont think I have been there enough to find a flaw yet... Theres a lot of practices around a vet college to choose from and most are out of that college and every single one has splurged IAMS and Science Diet to me or had an even bigger problem I found. My old roommate was friends with a girl currently in her last year of vet school I believe at Kstate and she tried to explain to me why Iams was a better food one time because I was suggesting to my roommate something different to feed her dog because he was having vomiting issues and what was she feeding him... IAMS.... Needless to say that was an interesting conversation... but now she feeds her dog innova which is leaps and bounds better than iams at least They all are brainwashed and I wish they were more open minded! When I was trying to say how horrible by products and grains were to this vet student all she had to say was byproducts and grains were actually good for pets and she wasnt going to argue the subject with me. Basically brushed me off like I was less superior because I wasnt a vet student. Bottom line is my cats wouldnt even see a vet if I didnt think vaccines were a good thing....

However I am very very sorry for your loss and your horrible experience at a vet clinic... I would never step foot in there again and I would have been raising h*ll in that waiting room if my kitten was dying and I was given a response like the "vet is busy" and it was way past my appointment time! Thats so beyond horrible.... They should be reported to the better business bureau or something....
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Old 12-31-2012, 02:16 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I disagree about most vets being bad - yes it's a business but I have found mine marvellous. If you take in an injured wild animal, they will treat for nothing. When I found the mother cat earlier this year, they treated her and the four kittens for the cost of one because of the circumstances and got me a voucher from a charity to have her spayed free.

Years back, a tom cat was injured near a school where I used to teach (one of my many careers). Children found him - a less than helpful policeman threw him into someone's garden. The children brought him to me and I took him to the vets. I didn't have money or a card to pay them but they treated him anyway. The kids collected up money in very small change to help pay for the treatment and the vets accepted that without any complaint. They even neutered him within the cost of the emergency treatment and kept him as a practice pet for a couple of weeks until one of the nurses fell in love with him so much they took him home.

Similarly, my horse vet has always found me the most cost effective way of treating problems. I had a mare (now sadly dead) with the equivalent of asthma triggered by allergies. He gave me a prescription for human antihistamines as it was cheaper than the exact same drug when produced for equine use.
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Old 12-31-2012, 02:49 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I got tears in my eye reading Little Jaws treatment and felt the heart break of a caring owner who truly wanted to get good medical help for Little Jaws. Run free and happy Little Jaws. What you went thru will help other cats as your owner will get the word out. I hope you report this vet and his office to the state authorities. Cyber hugs to you, TomCats for caring and not letting them get away with mistreating a cat. Tell every cat lover you run across your experience. You will save lives.

When my friends and I started a TNR group we got a royal education on vets and whether they were good with cats and kittens. We found most vets are dog oriented. They don't understand cats. We had to weed thru them to find ones we felt did the job right and had the right answers for us.

Word of mouth is important in finding a vet. Trust those rescue people working with cats that deal with ringworm, FeLv, Fiv, FIP, giardia. etc. Don't hesitate to deter people from going to bad vets and explain why and recommend the good vets.

The signs to look for are very helpful that TomCat mentioned. Another issue is vets do not understand how important diet is to a cat. Don't depend on them for good information. Be proactive in your cats care. Be it advocate. Ask hard questions and don't be put off by a vet if you aren't getting the help or questions answered from a vet.


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Thank you everyone for the kind words and thoughts.

I do not think personally that *all* vets are bad. As I have written earlier, we had pretty good vets up until 2006, and we had one very good one even after that. But we have worked with a lot of animals as a family, and we have seen a lot of different vets - not always by choice. And a lot of those vets have not equaled their predecessors.

One thing I have noticed is that, at least in rural areas , there seems to be a much faster turn over of vets than you might expect, This last vet has had four different vets just this year. I am starting to think that is a big red flag.

The other thing I have noticed is, there seems to a trend towards expansion, and outside investment in, smaller vet practices. I know one vet we used for years without any problems abruptly closed his practice and moved when we were in southern Arizona. He said he could not make a living competing with the "chain" hospital that had come into the area.

After what I have seen, though, I do believe that there is less likelihood of getting a good vet than there used to be, and that standards in the industry are not always being maintained to the levels they used to be. That is my point. I don't want anyone else to go through a situation like this.

We're going to be more open to holistic and natural care in the future. Five years ago, we would never even considered it. We may very well end up going to a regular DVM again, too. But we're done with blind trust. From now on, it's eyes wide open every single visit.
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every single one has splurged IAMS and Science Diet to me ...

This is something we have seen, too. One vet who insisted that we must switch over to Science Diet was not even aware there had been a recall a few months earlier...

I chalked that one up to just being poorly informed.
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It is expensive to set up a good practice. One of my favorite cat vets did mobile vet work while saving up for his building and equipment. He is wonderful.

Another vet practice here, all the techs jumped ship when a new vet moved into town. The new vet is great. I agree, its a huge RED FLAG when you see turn over. Luckily I stopped using them 5 years ago when I didn't like the care and attitudes and lack of information. One vet tried to bully me.. very wrong thing to do to me. I'm not easily intimidated.

There is a rural vet who must of graduated in the 60s practicing part time in a small town near by. He should retire. He did the wrong surgery on two cats. I took them to a specialist to repair his botched work. At the same time he also botched a neuter. $800 later, an emergency visit to the 24 hour emergency specialist to repair the neuter.

I informed him politely in a letter what occurred, including the wrong meds prescribed. I had my best friend proof read the letter to make sure it wasn't angry but full of the facts with bills enclosed to see the $$ to repair his misdiagnosis and poor surgical skills. He just sent back a hand written bill that said canceled. He just doesn't get the message.

I looked into reporting him.. long story... members of my TNR group didn't want to get us involved in a pissing match with him. There is nothing I can do but warn everyone about him. He continues to do terrible work.
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Hi Mitts,

Where in Arizona are you? We were in Dragoon, near Benson, and near Sierra Vista for several years.
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Iím very sorry for your loss.

Sounds like you have the same vet as I had. My place was run by an older gentleman who really cared and was very knowledgeable. Then I guess he retired because a young lady took over then it was just about the money and things went downhill from there with fees going up
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Were over in Green Valley. We work from Sahuarita down to Rio Rico. But have on occasion helped in Benson! Wasnt it in Benson where the woman left a million dollars to help the city animal control / shelter?

We use to work as far as Nogales but was spread too thin and I had more very bad experiences with the two vets in Nogales and the HS.
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