Seceding from the United States???

[Zilla]

So I'm sure a lot of you or at least the ones that live in the U.S. have heard about a lot of states trying to secede because of the election. Today I heard Texas has qualified for this crazyness that I don't understand. How in this day and age can one of our states just leave our country?? And furthermore why on gods green earth would they want to?? Doesn't that make them vulnerable to other huge countries??? Does anyone live in Texas here and know why they are doing it? Do you think one of our states by themselves would actually do better?? The civil war was started because 11 states wanted to secede and right now I think the number wanting to secede has risen to over 20...... I'm kind of scared actually because I'm smack dab in the middle of it all and I think my state of Kansas is trying to secede too. If our country goes to war again on our own turf I have no idea where I would go or what I would do :/ and the worst of it is in the next few months I plan on joining the Army. My husband and I would be duel spouses in the service together. If we had to go into combat with our own people I don't even think I could do it... I mean like honestly could you shoot your own people?? I know I couldn't!

Any one else have any input on the situation?


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[Carmel]

I haven't heard about it, but it won't happen.

Quebec has been trying to leave Canada for years... still hasn't happened, even when the party in favor of it are the leaders of the province (by too small a margin to do anything). If I recall, when they were sworn into office they took out the Canadian flag, then sent it back in when the rest of the members for other parties were sworn in.

[MowMow]

Won't happen. No reason to worry.

[coyt]

I didn't hear it qualified. What I heard was an online petition on a White House affiliated website got 80,000 signatures. Which qualifies it for an official response from the White House.

How they're going to reply to that, I don't know.

But yeah, I don't think it's going to happen haha

[NETim]

Do you know how many guns there are in Texas? Any invading army that would attempt to occupy would eventually be shot to pieces.

Seriously though, it would be ugly.

The last poll I saw on the matter indicated that less than 50% of the US armed forces would fire upon their fellow citizens.

Given what's in store for the US in the next 50 years or so, can't say that I blame folks for wanting to leave.

[CJinCA]

As someone who grew up in TX (was born in KS btw), and left due to irreconcilable differences, maybe I have more perspective than others. You should see the comments from some of my former classmates on FB. They get all their ideas from Rush Limbaugh, Shawn Hannity, and Faux news, and to me its closeted racism, but they're convinced that Obama is a foreign born Muslim socialist who is out to kill babies, and redistribute wealth from honest Christian working folks and give it lazy people and illegal aliens who don't want to work and take away our freedom. Anyway, I don't think they've thought it thru ( and most of them say they want to 'succeed' from the Union). They would lose all federal funding for highways, defense, social programs, education, etc. They would be forced to impose an income tax (TX has no state income tax). At any rate, the agreement for TX to join the Union was permanent an irrevocable, so its not going to happen without some kind of civil war, and I don't think enough folks in TX are going to support that.

[NETim]

Originally Posted by CJinCA

As someone who grew up in TX (was born in KS btw), and left due to irreconcilable differences, maybe I have more perspective than others. You should see the comments from some of my former classmates on FB. They get all their ideas from Rush Limbaugh, Shawn Hannity, and Faux news, and to me its closeted racism, but they're convinced that Obama is a foreign born Muslim socialist who is out to kill babies, and redistribute wealth from honest Christian working folks and give it lazy people and illegal aliens who don't want to work and take away our freedom. Anyway, I don't think they've thought it thru ( and most of them say they want to 'succeed' from the Union). They would lose all federal funding for highways, defense, social programs, education, etc. They would be forced to impose an income tax (TX has no state income tax). At any rate, the agreement for TX to join the Union was permanent an irrevocable, so its not going to happen without some kind of civil war, and I don't think enough folks in TX are going to support that.

I don't know (and don't really care) what the man's religious views are, but I do know he's terribly inept.

And let's be perfectly honest here, shall we? The Left is saddled with their own ignoramuses as well.

I don't think there are enough folks in TX to support this either. Heck, by the end of the American Revolution there were more colonists fighting on the side of England than there were colonists. A willingness to put it all on the line for grand ideals is more than most are willing to do.

“In the end, more than freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all – security, comfort, and freedom. When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again.”
― Edward Gibbon

[Zilla]

No matter how many guns Texas has that's never gonna be enough compared to the U.S. military. Any state who did secede and a civil war broke out they would be burned to the ground.... Sadly... And if we didn't some foreign country would do it. I just don't understand people's supposed LOGIC anymore.... Apparently using our brains is overrated now.. it's like simple weighing the pros and cons.... Do we wanna secede because our president is black and we think he's a Muslim???? Or do we not secede and get over it because we would lose all funding and resources, possibly start a civil war on our own grounds where millions of innocent people would probably die and we would be burned to the ground either by the US or another foreign country, and the possibility of that foreign country taking us over like hitler and the US giving us the finger when we asked for help because we left them. LET'S SEE which option would you all pick??? Option 1 or 2?? I really hope you all are right.... All this crazed non sense after this election is to much.... The United States is going under and who knows if we will even exist still as the US in 20 years.... I pray that never happens.... I'd be ok being apart of Canada or England.... Anywhere else I don't know about :/


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[aniela]

It's just those citizens that are upset over the outcome of the election. For better or worse, Obama won the election and those who don't like it need to learn to accept it. Democrats had to deal with Bush for 8 years and Republicans need to deal with Obama for 8 years.

Anyway not gonna happen...Heads of the State would have to agree to secede to even start any process. It wouldn't be up to a few upset people.

[CJinCA]

I really think its just a knee jerk reaction cuz they don't like Obama. I wanted Hillary, but Obama I thought was a better choice than McCain, and given McCains behavior as of late (and he unleashed Palin on the world), I don't regret that.

I still have family in TX, and I don't think my Mom would fair well with this kind of change, given she's elderly and has chronic medical problems and no financial support other than Medicaid and railroad retirement something or other (alternative to social security for railroad employees - my late father, that actually pays more than social security). At least its an extreme longshot at best.

When I did try to point out the fallicy of their arguments (taking away freedom, legalizing marijuana are both bad - while I consider it a contradiction - if its a free country you can do MJ, buy cuban cigars, etc., and then there's the 'Romney respects women' debate) I get de-friended. They want me to provide evidence for MY position, but what they heard on Fox (faux) news is enough for them, but they don't have to give any evidence - they tell it like it really is you know.....

OK, so my hubby is not from this country. His homeland has high taxes and socialized medicine, which he hated the high taxes until he had a serious medical problem (stemming from him having been a preemie with birth defects) and couldn't work for 8 months. In the US he would have been branded a lazy moocher by the GOP once he needed any help from the government. Now as a US citizen, we pay more % taxes than Romney (at least what we know of ) or Paris Hilton, but don't get the medical benefits if we were to need it.