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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 07-07-2009, 12:24 AM Thread Starter
 
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Male Tortie

Does anyone have a male tortie? From what I read they are less common than females. Is this true.

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post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old 07-07-2009, 12:29 AM
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Re: Male Tortie

Male Torties are very *very* rare because they are the result of a genetic oddity. Color is carried on the "X" chromosome.
Male cats are XY, with color carried on the X.
Female cats are XX, with color also carried on the Xs. Plural. This means a female cat can carry both BLACK and RED, which results in calico, tortie and torbie.
If a male cat were to be a tortie, he would have to be XXY, carrying an extra X chromosome.



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post #3 of 9 (permalink) Old 07-07-2009, 01:10 AM
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Many more years ago than I want to admit to, my father told me that a male tortoiseshell is so rare that it would be extremely valuable. But if it's due to a chromosome variation then I doubt if it woould be quite as valuable because it wouldn't breed true. By the way, that's a beautiful kitten. But then I've always been a sucker for torties.

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post #4 of 9 (permalink) Old 07-07-2009, 01:12 AM Thread Starter
 
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Re: Male Tortie

Interesting.. thanks

What is a torbie?
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A Torbie is a typo Oh! That wasn't me. I'm always making typos.

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Re: Male Tortie

Nope! Torbie wasn't a typo. It was just me combining and shortening words:
Tortoiseshell(Tortie) + Tabby = Torbie

A Tortie, is a black and red cat with no agouti.

Agouti is the genetic marker that makes a cat's tabby stripe-pattern show up. Agouti only expresses on black-based coat colors, so all red cats will always show their tabby pattern to some degree (harder to see in long hairs) but they won't have the agouti color-banding that agouti-cats (striped tabby cats) show.

So, a Torbie, is a black and red cat with agouti, and their tabby pattern will be obviously visible unless masked by white-spotting.



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Many more years ago than I want to admit to, my father told me that a male tortoiseshell is so rare that it would be extremely valuable. But if it's due to a chromosome variation then I doubt if it woould be quite as valuable because it wouldn't breed true. By the way, that's a beautiful kitten. But then I've always been a sucker for torties.

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Not only wouldn't it breed true, but it wouldn't breed at all. They're typically sterile.


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Re: Male Tortie

I had one!!!

but it wasn't really a male

I adopted a dilute tortie from the shelter that was listed as a "gray male." So I took my new boy home. A couple of vet visits and each time the techs (never saw a doctor... horrible little clinic I learned my lesson from!!) told me they were usually girls, then looked and said "hm, I guess they were right" so I continued to love my boy kitty.

Even the sweet and well meaning members here tried to convince me... and it just wasn't going to happen.

Finally, after watching the vet I started to work for get VERY up close and personal, they convinced me that he was really a she all along. However, I had had him and loved him for well over a year as a boy by that time that it just didn't feel right to change. So while in reality I knew my cat was female, I continued to refer to him as a him... still do

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post #9 of 9 (permalink) Old 07-07-2009, 02:18 PM
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LOLcats has a fabulous example of a Torbie:
The smaller cat is a black-based tabby cat. So is the larger cat, but in addition to showing a black base-coat with a visible tabby pattern, the cat is also showing 'red' in their base-coat...
...so she is a Tortie + Tabby = Torbie. (tabby stripes visible due to agouti)




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