Had a look at their site. I love it how no matter what kind of breeder they are, they're always a "small" one. They have 9 females and 3 males... three listed as co-owned in one section and then in another section have 5 listed as co-owned ones. Some that are listed as co-owned aren't listed in one section while others are. Makes me question if they even know how many cats they own where. They're breeding three different kinds of cats according to their header on the website (Siamese, Oriental and Colorpoints).
I went to visit her place, and she actually seemed really professional, She knew all about the genetics, breeding for health and temperament as well as looks, and her cats were amazing! They were all very happy and healthy (it was cat heaven, with toys and cat trees scattered all over the house), and were never caged. There were quite a few cats, but not an unmanageable number, and both her parents lived there and were able to help out. It wasn't a "I never moved out of my parent's house" situation, though, more of a "I'm helping them out and giving them a home" situation, which I thought was very sweet.
The deaths do seem quite excessive, but the cattery didn't seem sketchy to me. I can totally see how it would come off like that, though...I think she's just having some extremely bad luck.
Sorry, I didn't mean to make breeder #1 come off as a back yard breeder
That was my fault. I really do trust her, I just think she's in an unusual situation right now.
Since the first breeder seems pretty shady to me, I tried searching out the second one. I think I found them, just based on your location and that they have white kittens. They seem iffy to me, too.
They list their kittens on Kijiji which is often a red flag right there... and the two listings I see of white kittens, one lists them as born on the 27th on November at 600 dollars... then the next posting has dropped the price to 500 and they were born on the 20th instead of the 27th?! Which is it? Or do they have two litters of kittens? And why such a price drop. If they can't find homes for the kittens and need to price slash that fast... don't breed kittens. And then there's the fact that I tracked down their website (same kitten pictures as Kijiji) and they list prices on there at 550 so what's the deal there?! They also seem to be listing their kitten prices based on their quality... but it should be show quality or pet quality, not a bunch of distinctions. Either they're going to be show quality/breeder cat... or they aren't, so show quality/flaws won't matter.
Another major thing: They don't refund on FIP, FeLV or FIV. They also claim their queens are tested for FeLV and FIP, but you can't really test for FIP as far as I understand it. They make no mention of testing their queens for FIV, which makes me wonder if they don't even realise they've typed FIP instead of FIV. Not very professional there.
Anyway, I won't look into it farther since I'm not 100% sure that's the second breeder you're considering.
You're quite right, breeder #2 is super sketchy! I'm not trying to be mean, but she sounded pretty thick in her emails. And the prices on her site (which, by the way, is blindingly tacky. I mean come on, little glitter Jesus gifs?) DO NOT match the ones on kijiji. Or the ones on Hoobly. Or the ones she sent me in an email :S I'm unsure what to make of that.
Even still, quite a few other catteries in Canada and the US use her cats as breeders, so they can't be that bad. I'm being optimistic right now, and thinking that maybe she does breed responsibly, but isn't that bright.
There are two litters of kittens (same father, different mother), so the variation in birth dates makes sense.
I'm going to visit her, and see for myself what kind of place she runs. If it reeks, with dead cats poking out from under the furniture, I'll just turn and walk out (and maybe report her). If, however, I see a bunch of happy cats in a clean environment, I think the cute little white kitten is worth considering