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Dallas cop resigns after incident involving NFL player

I'm kind of surprised no one has brought this up yet. Here is the cop car dashboard cam recording of the incident:

http://www.binside.tv/blog/2009/03/28/D ... N_HOSPITAL

Office Powell was later placed on paid leave and then issued a statement of apology to the Moats family.

Now here is the article explaining that Officer Powell has resigned:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090401/ap_ ... er_stopped

This is such a tragic (and completely avoidable) thing to have happened. Yes, I know Moats ran a red light but you can clearly see by the dashboard cam that he waited until there was no traffic interfering with his turn and Moats himself stated in an interview I saw yesterday with Diane Sawyer that he got permission from drivers around him to turn when he did. Common sense should tell us that when a driver is using his flashers while driving there is something wrong. The Moats family has handled way better than I would have.

As harsh as it sounds, I hope that Officer Powell carries this in the back of his mind forever. He took something away from Moats that can never be given back. Hospital personell went outside to try and diffuse the situation, for Heaven sake! All he would have had to do was go into the hospital and verify with the front desk staff that Moats' story was true.
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Re: Dallas cop resigns after incident involving NFL player

If the officer didn't believe him, that's all he had to do. How sad. Moats did everything but beg on his hands and knees, poor guy.




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If the officer didn't believe him, that's all he had to do. How sad. Moats did everything but beg on his hands and knees, poor guy.
Another thing I saw was video of a press conference my by the Dallas Police Department after the incident. Whoever was speaking commended Moats on how handled the situation as far as not using one bit of violence and never once did he even mention the fact that he is an NFL player to try to get favoritism. He was also very displeased with the cop and said that common sense should have prevailed in that situation.

The interview by Diane Sawyer brought up a couple things about Moats' mother-in-law too. She seemed like a really sweet person. She worked in a Head Start program and her daughter described how just recently she used her year-end bonus money to buy gifts for all the children so they wouldn't have to go without. She was only 45 and died of breast cancer; it was her second bout with it.
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What a crappy story
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Re: Dallas cop resigns after incident involving NFL player

Somehow...I feel we are getting a very slanted, one-sided viewpoint from the media. I feel there is more to this than we know.
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I saw where the Dallas Police Chief offered an apology to Moats and his family, and said that the Officer was out of line.

The Police Officer should have gotten a clue when a member of the Nursing Staff came out to plead with him to let the man come in to see his MIL.


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I saw a video of Moats pleading with the officer, so it's not just a matter of whom you believe.




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Somehow...I feel we are getting a very slanted, one-sided viewpoint from the media. I feel there is more to this than we know.
I understand a clip of the Officer's patrol-cam has been released and it shows Moats being polite and respectful in the face of a cop on a power-trip. I believe Moats has been very magnanimous about this entire incident, even accepting the Officer's apology, but it still doesn't change facts that this officer caused this man to miss being present at the death of a relative he was trying to reach before she expired. I am very glad his wife (and whomever else was in the vehicle) were able to leave and hurry into the hospital to arrive in time.



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Re: Dallas cop resigns after incident involving NFL player

Leazie...

While Officer Powell may not have used very good judgment with regards to letting Moats go, it is not fair to say that Moats is blameless. I think we need to look at the events as they happened, not how the media feels that they happened.

Moats runs a red light...
Moats is observed by Officer Powell and pursued...
Officer Powell catches up to Moats and turns on his lights...
Moats continues despite lights and goes through two more stop signs...
Moats finally stops and four people jump out of the car...
Not knowing their intentions, Officer Powell draws his gun as an act of self preservation...
Officer Powell does what he is trained to do to try to prevent a situation from unfolding. He orders them back into the car...
Two women with him ignore his orders to stop and continue into the hospital.
Moats then starts to act up and defy Officer Powell...
Officer Powell DOES say about what he has the legal authority to do...yet does not act on that authority...
A nurse comes out and tries to explain the situation.
Moats receives his ticket.

Ok, first off, those women should NEVER have left the car and when Officer Powell ordered them to return to the car, he very well could have arrested them for willful disobedience of police officer's orders...which he did not. If he was on a power trip Heidi, he very well could have done everything he threatened Moats with seeing as to how he had every legal right to do so. Moats did act a bit argumentative at times. I don't care how right one thinks they are, the best way to talk to an officer is "yes sir" and "no sir." You do not raise your voice...period. Whenever I have said Yes sir and no sir, the officer has been friendly to me told me to drive safely, and have a nice walk. Moats, while rightfully pleading, raised his voice in an argumentative manner. I would be willing to bet if he never raised his voice, it would have been different. Yet I never heard Officer Powell raise his voice to the level that Moats did. So in that respect, WHO was being hotheaded? Officer Powell was very calm and collected during the whole traffic stop, one that given the situation plus the events of the last couple weeks could have made any officer nervous as to whether or not they would go home that night.

I just wonder if anybody took notice on how high the officer's engine RPMs were spinning when he attempted to pull over Moats? That there clearly indicates that he AND Moats were traveling at a high rate of speed. Sure he said that he looked to make sure the roadway was clear, but how many times have we not seen anything until the last second? All of us have at one time. Moats was driving illegally...period.

But as I said, if there is one thing he could have done different, it would have been to escort him into the hospital and thus given him his ticket there. But if an officer is in such a situation, they do not know if the traffic stop would turn deadly or not. But once again, Moats could have been less argumentative while still pleading his case. If Officer Powell was on a power trip, he would have been screaming and yelling aka James Kuehnlein. But once again, I am not a police officer so I cannot fathom the emotions of the situation.

The sad thing is that this only made it to the media because Moats is a football player. Had I or anybody else here had the same thing happen, it never would be heard. It seems to say that professional athletes seem to expect a different standard compared to us lowly serfs...

What was going through Officer Powell's head, nobody here will ever know nor can they even think to know. In situations like this, I feel that only current or retired police officers can really give an honest, objective view of the situation. Because unless one of us is an officer of the law, NONE of us can even fathom what it is like to be a police officer. And that is for a major US city, not the town of Mayberry. I just feel sorry for Officer Powell for being vilified by a bunch of bunch of media pundits and a boatload of armchair quarterbacks that have not the slightest idea of the crap a police officer receives. It truly is damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Re: Dallas cop resigns after incident involving NFL player

I'm not picking on you by highlighting/quoting in this manner. It is only a way for me to keep things straight as I reply.
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Moats, while rightfully pleading, raised his voice in an argumentative manner. I would be willing to bet if he never raised his voice, it would have been different. Yet I never heard Officer Powell raise his voice to the level that Moats did.
Officer Powell is trained to not raise his voice which would cause him to be a participant in escalating any situation that would ensue. The officers know the dash-cams record everything in case it becomes necessary to enter into evidence before a court; so they act accordingly either out of training or self-preservation so they cannot be accused of being the cause of escalating a situation.

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So in that respect, WHO was being hotheaded?
Um, the one who had a relative dying? I do not deny that a non-raised voice and more respect could have resulted in a different response from the officer, but under the circumstances I cannot fault a man for being aggitated at a delay in reaching the bedside of a dying relative.

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I just wonder if anybody took notice on how high the officer's engine RPMs were spinning when he attempted to pull over Moats?
If this was during acceleration I would expect the rpms to be high. Officers tend to "floor it" and not accelerate gently, so this doesn't have much impact of importance for me. Even pacing a car, an officer can keep the RPMs up pretty easily, I have driven with several officers who do this. They don't gently coast beside/behind the vehicle, they are on the gas to keep their vehicle where they want it, not accelerating gently if their car falls behind a bit, they stomp it and place their vehicle where they want it right away.

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The sad thing is that this only made it to the media because Moats is a football player. Had I or anybody else here had the same thing happen, it never would be heard. It seems to say that professional athletes seem to expect a different standard compared to us lowly serfs...
I believe this is something the Media have dredged up and sensationalized, not Moats. I believe Moats never indicated his profession to Officer Powell during the traffic stop. This information (911-calls, tickets, incidents, arrests) is public knowledge and I know that the media prowl "the books" looking for 'juicy stories' of recognizeable names.
*cough*Hollywood*cough* comes to mind about celebrity sensationalized stories.



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