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Your Weekly O'Donnell - O'Donnell questions separation of church, state

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Coons said private and parochial schools are free to teach creationism but that "religious doctrine doesn't belong in our public schools."
"Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?" O'Donnell asked him.

"You actually audibly heard the crowd gasp," Widener University political scientist Wesley Leckrone said after the debate, adding that it raised questions about O'Donnell's grasp of the Constitution
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"Talk about imposing your beliefs on the local schools," she said. "You've just proved how little you know not just about constitutional law but about the theory of evolution"

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O'Donnell has a valid point. Strictly speaking, it's not in the Constitution at all, but in the Bill of Rights ... the first Ammendments to the Constitution. Although, I don't think that's what her thoughts were. I'm sure her thoughts were that the Constitution's original intent was to prevent the state from mandating a state-authorized religion, as was the case in Europe, and was the reason for many of the immigrants to the new country...to escape the persecution against their differences of belief with the state churches. The wording of the ammendment is fairly clear:
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
In other words Congress shall neither establish the religion, nor shall it prevent it. To put it another way, the original intent was to keep the government out of religion it was NOT to keep religion out of government. In fact, it was only in recent years that the Supreme Court extended the original meaning to go both ways, that not only should the government stay out of religion, but that religion also stays out of government. Quite recently, as a matter of fact ... the principal decision was as recently as 1948 and, believe it or not, the motto "In God We Trust" was still adopted as the official motto of the United States after that .... in 1956!! And even today Congress opens the session with prayer. There's a disconnect here somewhere.

I think that instead of regarding O'Donnell as ignorant, it might be more apt to regard her as politically insensitive; not a particularly good character trait for a politician; but on the other hand, might be a desirable trait in a person whose word you wish to trust. Depends what kind of a person you want running the country for you, I guess.
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She's an idiot. Every time she opens her mouth, it's more material for the late-night comedians.

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I guess the late night comedians don't know Mark Twain.
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O'Donnell has a valid point. Strictly speaking, it's not in the Constitution at all, but in the Bill of Rights ... the first Ammendments to the Constitution. Although, I don't think that's what her thoughts were. I'm sure her thoughts were that the Constitution's original intent was to prevent the state from mandating a state-authorized religion, as was the case in Europe, and was the reason for many of the immigrants to the new country...to escape the persecution against their differences of belief with the state churches. The wording of the ammendment is fairly clear:
In other words Congress shall neither establish the religion, nor shall it prevent it. To put it another way, the original intent was to keep the government out of religion it was NOT to keep religion out of government. In fact, it was only in recent years that the Supreme Court extended the original meaning to go both ways, that not only should the government stay out of religion, but that religion also stays out of government. Quite recently, as a matter of fact ... the principal decision was as recently as 1948 and, believe it or not, the motto "In God We Trust" was still adopted as the official motto of the United States after that .... in 1956!! And even today Congress opens the session with prayer. There's a disconnect here somewhere.

I think that instead of regarding O'Donnell as ignorant, it might be more apt to regard her as politically insensitive; not a particularly good character trait for a politician; but on the other hand, might be a desirable trait in a person whose word you wish to trust. Depends what kind of a person you want running the country for you, I guess.
I'm proposing a new internet argument law to go with Goodwin's law. Under Goodwin's law if you make a comparison to Hitler you lose the argument automatically.

Under Dave_PH's law if you agree with Christine O'Donnel on anything you lose automatically.


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I'll agree with all the law school students who burst out laughing at her.

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I think that instead of regarding O'Donnell as ignorant, it might be more apt to regard her as politically insensitive; not a particularly good character trait for a politician; but on the other hand, might be a desirable trait in a person whose word you wish to trust. Depends what kind of a person you want running the country for you, I guess.
Have you looked at her disproved claims to have attended Cambridge and a numer of other Universities? Her misuse of campaign funds?

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Under Dave_PH's law if you agree with Christine O'Donnel on anything you lose automatically.
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I'll agree with all the law school students who burst out laughing at her.
I'm proposing a new law:

"If you agree with anything automatically, you lose automatically"

Under that law, pretty much all universities, pretty much all students, pretty much all professors, and for sure all law students, would lose automatically.

I shudder to think of the Supreme Court in 20 years. I'm thinking Al Franken will probably be Chief Justice of that court.

(John Stewart will be President, so I suppose it all fits a pattern I see)

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