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post #1 of 31 (permalink) Old 11-14-2005, 09:38 PM Thread Starter
 
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World Trade Center - Bldg. 7

Someone brought this up on another forum I lurk at. Why DID Bldg. #7 collapse? It was never hit by a plane, afterall. I don't recall ever reading anything at all about it. Everything printed was about the two towers that went down.

Has the question gone Cold Case (like those anthrax letters)?

Interesting reading. Be sure to open the various links on this page:

http://www.wtc7.net/
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post #2 of 31 (permalink) Old 11-14-2005, 09:54 PM
 
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First of all, Towers 1 and 2 also looked like a controlled demolition, they fell straight down...... I remember thinking at the time it looked like videos I'd seen of buildings being demolished.
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It wasn't until Dr. Thomas Eagar saw Building 7 of the World Trade Center implode late on the afternoon of September 11th that he understood what had transpired structurally earlier that day as the Twin Towers disintegrated.
Apparently, seeing tower 7 fall is what led to this guy understanding exactly what happened in the first 2 towers. So, I don't think it's any Governmental coverup.......

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/collapse.html
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First of all, Towers 1 and 2 also looked like a controlled demolition, they fell straight down...... I remember thinking at the time it looked like videos I'd seen of buildings being demolished.
The problem with that being, the fires inside caused explosions (much like a demolision) As such most people try to claim that they were lined with explosives.

The simple problem with that statement being this: The buildings were designed to take the load of force, the size of a Boeing 747, being crashed into it. It was NOT designed to take multiple explosions from within, nor was it designed to withstand high temperatures. This was a major design flaw, but not one that could be forseen as these materials were new to high-rise construction. The Empire State building withstood an accident with a cmomercial plane because masonry does not lose anywhere near as much of it's structural integrity at the temperatures that were present in the Twin Towers.

The Towers were built in the 1970's, right at the start of pre-fab and lightweight steels emergence. The center structure was designed to handle sway (from winds) with the outer rectangle supporting its mass. With multiple floors missing and 1500 degree fires within, the towers should have fallen MUCH earlier than they did. It is a miracle of epic proportion that they stood for over an hour in that state. As I said, the outer rectangle was the part supporting most of its mass, not the center core.

Building 7's structure was not done in the same way. Fires erupted with in the walls (which could not be seen from the street) and built to the level that dropped the building.

Many cities do not have building so tall and in such close proximity. What happens in NY is, buildingd have to be built so they collapse on themselves. If they are not designed to do so, they will endanger the lives of so many more people. It is the MAIN design decision in any high-rise building built on Manhattan Island.

I'm sorry to be so harsh, but I was there. I grew up in NY. My friends and their relatives were fighting to save peoples lives from those buildings. I helped in the rescue efforts. I have seen things that many could no even imagine. It's far to gruesome to share here. I've heard too much of these things since, to keep putting up with it. The theories that there were bombs, have no merit. The buildings did not only what they were designed to do, but more. Some of the people that survived, by the building design, shouldn't have. And I'm glad the did. Think what you will of me. I know the truth in the way they fell, I had the unfortunate luck of being there for it. If there were explosives, we would not have been allowed to be there until they cleared the area.

As for the reason behind why Rudy set up elsewhere, it was done for his safety. No one was sure if they would keep hitting buildings in the immediate area. The command center was set up, and not told to anyone for many hours. Not until they were certain that the attacks had stopped.
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post #4 of 31 (permalink) Old 11-15-2005, 05:20 AM
 
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Oh boy...I could go on for days about this. I think it looked a lot like controlled demolition as well. No one would have known of the bombs because why would the government want us to know they were there? I do believe it was an inside job. My questions are:

Wouldn't someone have known the planes had gone off course? Planes are constantly monitored.

If fired caused the buildings to fall then why did the building hit second fall first?

How was a plane able to hit the pentagon without anyone knowing? the pentagon is our defense headquarters and has highly advanced equipment. Espescially knowing that the world trade center was hit wouldn't they have been on some sort of alert?

Where are the remains of the planes that hit the pentagon? I never remember seeing plane parts on TV. Not to mention why hit the side of the pentagon where there were no top officials? the size of the hole in the pentagon is not the size of a huge plane.

Why were the remains of the towers immediately recycled to other countries without any diagnostic tests ran on them?

Why go after hussein and give up on bin laden?
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I was in NO WAY implying that it was an "inside" job! The original link basically suggested that it was obviously an inside job because of the way tower 7 fell. I was only saying that drawing that conclusion didn't make sense because Towers 1 and 2 also looked like a controlled demolition. The link I provided explained why ALL tall buildings fall in the same manner as a controlled demolition, planned or not.

I think the theory that this was done to us on purpose by our own Government is as obsurd the conspiracy theory saying the moon landing was faked!

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Wouldn't someone have known the planes had gone off course? Planes are constantly monitored.
Even if they did know, what would they have done about it? Shoot it down over NYC?

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If fired caused the buildings to fall then why did the building hit second fall first?
Because of where the building was it, and the structural damage it sustained was far more severe.

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How was a plane able to hit the pentagon without anyone knowing? the pentagon is our defense headquarters and has highly advanced equipment. Espescially knowing that the world trade center was hit wouldn't they have been on some sort of alert?
Again, even if they did know, what would they have done about it? Yes, the White House has surface-to-air missiles on it's roof, because that's a fairly logical target. Hitting the Pentagon, in an area that's under remodelling, probably wasn't such a logical target. But hindsight is 20/20.

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Where are the remains of the planes that hit the pentagon? I never remember seeing plane parts on TV. Not to mention why hit the side of the pentagon where there were no top officials? the size of the hole in the pentagon is not the size of a huge plane.
Actually, yes it was. And I know people who saw the plane hit the building. The idea that the Pentagon wasn't hit is a nice urban legend, but completely without proof.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

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Why go after hussein and give up on bin laden?
We didn't. There are still soldiers rooting out the Taliban (and Bin Laden) in Afghanistan, and elsewhere in the Middle East. Black Ops missions aren't usually televised
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I think the theory that this was done to us on purpose by our own Government is as obsurd the conspiracy theory saying the moon landing was faked!
I agree.
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Let me pose a another question.

On 9-11 President Bush was visiting a school. While at the school he found out that the planes had crashed into the towers. Assuming terrorists from another country are smart enough to infiltrate our airlines and crash planes into 2 large buildings and the U.S. defense system then they probably know of President Bush's whereabouts at that time as I am sure he had this school trip planned for a while. Wouldn't Bush and his cronies have assumed this also and got the heck out of dodge once they heard the news? I mean why stay in one place and jeopardize themselves and and whole school of children? He just sat there leisurely and read with the children...seems a bit odd to me.

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Even if they did know, what would they have done about it? Shoot it down over NYC?
Even if they didn't want to shoot down the planes ...fighter jets should have been on their tail and trying to figure out what was going on. there is evidence that in fact fighter jets were sent to intercept flights 11 and 175 but the planes were called from Otis Air Force in stead of Andrews which is nearer. Stalling???


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Because of where the building was it, and the structural damage it sustained was far more severe.
I just don't see how it could have been hot enough to melt steel down to the lower floors. The fires were certainly hot on some floors but not on all. Steel buildings have burned in the past and were still standing after 24 hours. Not to mention there are eyewitness accounts that people heard flashes and heard the popping sound that controlled demolition makes.

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Where are the remains of the planes that hit the pentagon? I never remember seeing plane parts on TV. Not to mention why hit the side of the pentagon where there were no top officials? the size of the hole in the pentagon is not the size of a huge plane.
Yes it was what? I could not say for sure that something moving that fast was actually what it was....not to mention the mind can play tricks on us. We would assume it was a plane so our mind thinks/sees plane. A missle could also look like a plane. I would be interested in seeing footage of the plane ...I have yet to find any pictures of the remnants online (other than tiny pieces) http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/kil ... ll3070.jpg

Where is the plane????

When asked by a journalist: "Is there anything left of the aircraft at all?"
To a fire chief.

"First of all, the question about the aircraft, there are some small pieces of aircraft visible from the interior during this fire-fighting operation I'm talking about, but not large sections. In other words, there's no fuselage sections and that sort of thing." "You know, I'd rather not comment on that. We have a lot of eyewitnesses that can give you better information about what actually happened with the aircraft as it approached. So we don't know. I don't know."

"His gas station, open only to Department of Defense personnel, is the last structure between the Pentagon and the hillside that, hours later, would become a wailing knoll. "By the time I got outside all I could see was a giant cloud of smoke, first white then black, coming from the Pentagon," he said. "It was just a terrible, terrible thing to be so close to."
"Velasquez says the gas station's security cameras are close enough to the Pentagon to have recorded the moment of impact. "I've never seen what the pictures looked like," he said. "The FBI was here within minutes and took the film." -National Geographic (12/11/01)

How could a plane burn up so fast. There have been many plane crashes and plenty of evidence of a plane.
Besides you didn't answer my question as to why the pentagon didn't know ...wouldn't the building have some sort of defense. if some large fast moving object was barrelling at it wouldn't there be guns/cannons to stop it?

A final note taken from a book by David Griffin is that according to a document prepared by the Project for the New American Century which inlcludes the likes of Rumsfield, Libby, Cheney that there are 3 major themes. 1. to place more military bases around the world from which power can be projected. 2 the need to bring around regime change in countries unfriendly to american interests. 3. the need for greatly increaed military spending - esp. defense. The document stated that the desired transformation of the military would be politically impossible absent some catastrophic-catalyzing event - like a new pearl harbor. Coincedence?

Don't get me wrong I feel deeply for those who sufferred because of it. I just feel our goverment had a hand and this could have been prevented.

doesn't anybody think anything fishy is going on with Delay, Libby, Cheney with Enron?
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You can call me a conspiracy theorist but what are all of these conspiracys going with the goverment lately? They are the ones conspiring.
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An interesting video I found about the pentagon.

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memor ... ntagon.php
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