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post #1 of 3 (permalink) Old 02-10-2006, 05:21 PM Thread Starter
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Just read this article in my Newsweek magazine and it's a knockout. It's written by one Fareed Zakaria who is a regular writer for Newsweek. It's long and needs to be read slowly to properly digest all he is trying to explain. It is a terrific eye opener (to me anyways). Enjoy.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3704623/site/newsweek/

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Very good article.
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post #3 of 3 (permalink) Old 02-11-2006, 10:55 AM
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a couple of quote's from the article;
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3704623/...wsweek/page/3/
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If politics is more open, these groups may or may not moderate themselves
ahh, no dought, now their going to be held accountable at election time, the people want a better life for themselves and their families,

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A large part of the problem is that the United States—and the West in general—are not seen as genuine well-wishers and allies of the peoples of these countries in their aspirations for a better life.
And after watching the special on rtsp://video.c-span.org about our Congressional Delegation Visit to Iraq and Afghanistan,

it's is our Military Personal that is out making meaningful relationships with these people that is helping,

what's not helping is press pessimism about the 'if's' and 'I thinks',

the reality of people helping people is there.

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Originally Posted by Fareed Zakaria
Is President Bush's plan to spread democracy turning into a fiasco? It doesn't have to. But it does need to change.
And I never did get to what he thinks, "does need to change", just a bunch of stuff we supposely don't understand,

the premise we don't understand must be the author's own experience.

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For one thing, opposition to the Iraq war is not a radical phenomenon in the Middle East, but rather an utterly mainstream one.
ahhhh, but not mainstream in Iraq, most of their country is voting, not to mention with alot of other's who never had the chance to 'vote'.

I remain optimistic, sure everything hasn't gone perfect, and the reality is it maybe a slow process for some,

but American Troops are putting their lives and limbs on the line to help in a genuine fashion that cannot be denied,

contrast that with Saddam's invasion of Kuwait, I bet Kuwait can tell Newsweek, MSNBC, and Fareed Zacaria there's a difference.

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Some of these forces have gained strength because of a lack of other alternatives.
And now they maybe able to actually get a chance to vote other alternatives.

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Recent months have only highlighted that promoting democracy and promoting liberty in the Middle East are separate projects.
You think, but why don't Newsweek, MSNBC, and Fareed Zacaria write about the 'liberties' 'democracy' has for them?

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Both have their place. But the latter—promoting the forces of political, economic and social liberty—is the more difficult and more important task.
And it hasn't been easy, join the Army and find out buddy.

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And unless we succeed at it, we will achieve a series of nasty democratic outcomes, as we are beginning to in so many of these places.
The people are choosing their own Governments, and the earlier premise that;
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Some of these forces have gained strength because of a lack of other alternatives.
maybe something Newsweek, MSNBC, and Fareed Zacaria can be proactive about helping them understand,

instead of telling us we need to understand something we may already know.

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The forces of liberalism have been stymied in the Middle East for decades.

They need help.
President Bush helps "the forces of liberalism", that should be a headline for the media.

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But he has not yet found a way to genuinely assist in the promotion of political, economic and social reforms in the region
He's giving them their own choices for leadership, but that's not good enough?

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A large part of the problem is that the United States—and the West in general—are not seen as genuine well-wishers and allies of the peoples of these countries in their aspirations for a better life.
Oh come on, they are smart enough to know what is going on,

they just need more of the 'facts' to be printed by Newsweek, MSNBC, and Fareed Zacaria, instead of the 'opinoin' .

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3704623/...wsweek/page/3/
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The first task is surely to understand them—understand that they thrive on pride and a search for authenticity.
And Newsweek, MSNBC, and Fareed Zacaria is helping how?

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These forces play themselves out in complex ways.
To Newsweek, MSNBC, and Fareed Zacaria, some of us are 'genuine well-wishers and allies of the peoples of these countries in their aspirations for a better life'.
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