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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 02-16-2006, 05:41 PM Thread Starter
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Changeing jobs

Some of you might remember me posting about not knowing what kind of job I want and what to go to school for....

Anyway, I'm off for this month(my temp job is 90 days of work, 30 off)and I applied for this job as a Groundskeeper at a large Private Estate in Ann Arbor.....it sounded awesome....

They have two horses sheep, dogs, a greenhouse, a vegtable garden....the person they are going to hire was supposed to be in charge of the vegtable garden mainly,which is fine with me, but because I have office experience they want me to do a 50/50 job of being in the office(I TOLD them I hate working in the office) and being outside.......

This job would be permenant, I'd be able to purchase health insurance, but.....they only offered me $8.50!!! I'll be making $10 when I go back to UoM Grounds, albeit as a temp.....I was thinking of this new job as the job I'd have for life.....but that ain't gonna happen at $8.50 an hour.....

I was thinking ow, my first Full time job, I'll finally be able to move out of home, get a new car etc......those thoughts are all gone now.....I was thinking more along the lines of $12 to start out with.......to make it worse I think it'smyfault because under acceptable wages I put 8 and up......becasue that's what I started with at Grounds....not expecting them to actually start me that low....

I lOVE my coworkers and my boss, to the point that the thought of not going back to work with them makes me tear up(I've been there 3 years).

Giving up a permenant position isn't stupid is it? (thinking of all you guys out there that are looking)I mean if I get my pesticide liscense and CDL,I could get a job at UofM when/if they ever get another opening(although they generally go to long time UofM employee, mostly custodians)...............I'm horrible at making descions, i still have to talk to my mom about it.....

...looks like i won't have to break up w/ my boss and coworkers at least......
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hrmm...that is a tough call. I have been in similar pickles myself. I think I would opt for the permament position though. Does it offer benefits? Is there any room for growth/raises? My first job out on my own was at $7.00 an hour. Mind you I split rent/utilities with my boyfriend, but he was making about the same as me and we survived. It was a lot of frozen pizzas and mac and cheese for a while but we pulled through.

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That's about what I am making right now. So that is actually a lot of money, especially full-time.

I am only doing part-time (25 hours a week) now but I have a nice two-bedroom apartment and five cats who are well-cared of. I also have ZERO debt. It is hard but it is definitely not impossible.

I think it all depends on whether or not saving is important to you. I have ZERO debt but I also have ZERO savings. I had never worried about my lack of savings. I had never needed anything from my family since the day I turned 19 but I trust my family to help me out if I ever get myself in trouble.

My insurance is about $200 a month. I don't get any benefits either.
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post #4 of 14 (permalink) Old 02-17-2006, 12:16 PM Thread Starter
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Well, I took the job, but honestly I might be screwing them over.....
They upped me to $9 an hour, but insurance would cost me $250 a month!

I can't afford that at all, with paying $500 a month on car and car insurance...

I only have $100 in my bank account right now. So I can't wait another month to get paid going back to my old job....

So I'm at least going to work for the new place for two weeks, if I don't like it, I'm going back to Grounds. I feel horrible doing that considering they think I"m thinking long term...but money is money....

So basicly I won't be getting benifits and I'll be making less.
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Re: Changeing jobs

If $8.50/hr is not sufficient for you, then don't take the job. However, exercise more realism in the future when applying for jobs. Employers will not appreciate it if they make an offer over your minimum requirements (and $.50/hr is a good chunk) and you reject it because the pay is too low. I would anticipate that they will not consider you in the future, should you apply there again.

Speaking as someone slightly older than you and who has worked in staffing, I think your salary expectations are unrealistic for someone your age. Ten bucks an hour is marvellous, and if you're going to start expecting $12, you'd best have some extremely marketable skills to justify it. I made $10/hr as an on-site supervisor at a factory, and my coworkers made roughly $13/hr as client representatives and office managers. My husband manages to make a few dollars more than that because he's a computer programmer. Most people I know in my peer group (up to age 25) are making between $7-$9/hr.

Out of curiosity... you're saying that at $8.50/hr, you couldn't live on your own. Why on earth not? I lived on my own making as much. I had a beater car that lasted me until an ugly accident several years later, I had my own little apartment, I had my cat, and I had cable. (YAY TELEVISION) Is there something that's keeping you from living on your own if you make less than $12/hr?

Just for a moment, forget the pay. Making $10/hr with 30 days off every few months isn't really averaging out to $10/hr. Doing the math, four months at 40hrs/week being paid $8.50 comes out to almost $5500 pre-tax. Three months at 40hrs/week being paid $10 comes out to about $4800 - and then you have a month off. What you're working right now averages out, over the course of four months, equals $7.50/hr. You'd make MORE at the permanent job, plus have the option of health insurance.

As I mentioned in response to your last thread, it sounds like you have some hard choices to make, and I think you might need a reality check. The real world just doesn't tend to pay people our age the kind of money you're looking to make.
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I can't afford that at all, with paying $500 a month on car and car insurance...
Ah, you've just answered my question about living on $8.50. If your car is so prohibitive, get rid of it. There's no reason a vehicle should cost this much. We pay $60/mo for insurance on our two cars. My car was bought outright a few years ago for $1000, and my husband's BWM was bought used... our loan payments were about $200/mo.

If you'd like to have an expensive car, that's entirely up to you, but it's taking up a massive portion of your living expenses. I couldn't fathom spending this kind of cash on a vehicle, to the exclusion of living independent from my parents.
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Might have something to do with the fact that I want a house...with land for my horse(3 acres will do) not an apartment(unless you can find one out in the middle of the country....but really I'd need a roommate to afford even an apartment(I'd rather live at home than in town).....I make roughly $1000 a month(after taxes), and nearly $600 goes to my car, $150 on gas, $100 on food.

I don't think it's unrealistic at all......

It's not an expensive car......it's a 99 Escort ZX2(which I got used for 8,000 in 2002), but it's considered a 'sportscar'...which it is NOT....I have to have a realible car that can drive the 45 minutes to work everyday....a beater ain't going to make it.

The car is in my moms name, and she has horrible credit.......which i think is why the insuranc eis $250 for full coverage. You hAVE to have the full covergae it's part of the loan.....
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So you, a college-aged individual, are looking for a job that will give you enough money to purchase a house (with acreage) right out of the gate? That's just not going to happen, not unless you have technical skills and get very, very lucky.

I'm not trying to be mean, but I am trying to impart some reality and offer some advice. If you're bent on living on your own, there are certain realities that come along with that. If your priorities of horse, house, and newer car mean that you can't live on your own, then you need to accept that. It seems to me that I said all this in response to your last thread as well.

I should also mention that if you're going to buy a house, you're going to need a LOT of credit. Why don't you transfer the car into your name, since your mom's credit is so poor, and get a better insurance rate? It'll help with your own credit and cost you less in the long run. Again, speaking entirely honestly, I don't think you'd be able to secure a home loan without having credit of your own (which you might already have, I don't know everything) and with a co-signer who has poor credit. You might have to bite the bullet on this and make some choices that will help you to build financial independence.

(For the record, I drove a 1991 Dodge Dynasty for eight years. Never broke down once, until I was in an accident. To replace it, I got a 1990 Dodge Dynasty. For two years, it commuted 30 miles each way to and from work, sometimes twice. Now, it drives me to and from school - about an hour each way - as needed. Our "good car" is a 1995 BMW, purchased last year to replace a 1990 Geo Metro [which made my commutes for more than a year prior] and it commutes an hour each way a few times a week. It's the newest car we've ever owned. I love it. Yes, beaters will do the trick. They don't break down any more than new cars do. Just need to take care of them.)

Anyhow. Sorry if I'm saying unpleasant things, but my experiences in life and the staffing industry have supported my comments here.
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I'm not trying to be mean, but I [i
am[/i] trying to impart some reality and offer some advice. If you're bent on living on your own, there are certain realities that come along with that.
Oh, I'm not BENT on moving out, I just would like to be able to, say, by the time I'm..oh...30. I would never move out RIGHT now as I could NOT leave my cats, nor seperate them and make them adapt to a new home....once they all die(or at least MY boy, he's 11 now) then I'll think of moving out.

It's just that this is a permenant job, and that means I have to look ahead to the future, which may be years ahead.......
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Okay, now this is making more sense. If you're starting at $8.50/hr, there's no reason to believe you'll still be making that down the road. My husband started his job at barely more than $10, and within a year they redefined his job and now we're living in a fairly comfortable salary.

And remember that permanent jobs aren't permanent jobs. In the greater scheme of things, it's highly unlikely that you'll keep any job you take now for more than five years. You're young, your life is in flux, and you're still creating a vision for your own life. Take the idea of 'permanent' with a grain of salt.

You've got nothing to worry about. After looking back at my math, I think you did the right thing by taking this new job. $8.50 for four months easily trumps $10 for three, and your new job sounds really neat. It'll all be fine.
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