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Question for the Dog Owners Here....

I have heard of a "Prong" collar for dogs-hard to control dogs. Is this better than the choker? I am working on heel training Zeus my GSD and I have heard that the Prong is better. Is that true?

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post #2 of 11 (permalink) Old 04-13-2006, 06:32 PM
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Yeah ive heard that too although it doesnt look too friendly does it? I you want i can ask around some dog forums for you.

*edit* Here a link to a dog forum where i asked that quest for you
http://www.petshub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57377

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Prong collars CAN be better than a choker IF they're fitted and used correctly. A correction (Jerking the leash) should NEVER be done on a prong collar, the nature of the collar is that the dog corrects itself.

I personally, am not a big fan of chokers and I'm very leery of prongs, simply because I've seen FAR too many of both used incorrectly and they both have potential to seriously harm a dog. Have you looked into a Martingale collar? They're like a choker but mostly a fabric collar with only a little chain, so it's a restricted choke. Only enough to do a proper correction and get the dogs attention, not enough to do tracheal damage or actually restrict breathing. In my opinion, these are the best and safest option!

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I have used prongs on both of my dogs. They look much worse then they are. IMO they are much better than a choker. Prongs distribute the pressure better than chokers. A misused choker can cause tracheal crush and possibly death in a dog. I don't believe prongs have this same risk. Obviously if used incorrectly, a prong can also do harm.
There is a newer collar on the market called a halt collar or a gentle leader. Both are basically the same. They work more like a harness on a horse. When the dog tries to pull away, the collar actually makes the head swing towards the owner. This is a great collar for a dog that likes to pull, since he basically pulls against himself.
IMO halt collars and gentle leaders don't correct very well, so depending on your method of training, that is an issue to think about.

As far as using a corrective jerk on a prong collar, I was taught to do that by the trainer. For us is was a quick straight up snap and immediate release. I've never heard not to do the correction with a prong. I'm not sure how a dog would correct itself with a prong.

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The prong collar is designed to let you give a correction with a lot less effort than any other collar. It will not work properly if it is not fitted or placed correctly. 90% of the people I see using them when they come into my store are not using them the right way.

Choke chains are quite aptly named...IMO they do a lot more harm than good. Somewhere I read about a study done on dogs that had choke chains used on them all their lives, and the other group in the study had prong collars. All the dogs in the choke chain group had varying degrees of trachea damage, whereas the prong collar group had far less damage, something on the order of only 2 or 3 dogs out of the group.

When you are selecting a prong collar for your dog, make sure you get the right size for him. There are 2 kinds, one has a spring clasp on it so you can snap the collar on easily, and one does not have the clasp. The one with the clasp is more expensive then the non-clasp collar. You will have to fit the collar to your dog exactly, by adding or removing links as needed. If you have the kind without the spring clasp, you will have to put the collar on and take it off by pulling one of the links out. If you try to slip it over the dog's head you will injure him. If you have it loose enough to slip it over his head without hurting him, it is too loose to work right.

Here is a good site with tons of info that might help you on it. It also has a page with pics that shows you how to properly fit the prong collar.
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Yeah, I think mine fits correctly! Although I was always a little confussed about which ring to use. I think I usually use the live loop.
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I think both these options are barbaric. Yes they can work if used properly, but who uses them properly?

I'd go for the Canny Collar or the Gentle Leader or even the Halti.
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Hi,
Thanks for all your advice/replies. It has really helped. Also, thanks for the link.

I used the Halter method and that has worked-but I will keep all your guys advice on file incase I need it again or to recommend to anybody who needs it.

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I think both these options are barbaric. Yes they can work if used properly, but who uses them properly?
The prong collar does indeed LOOK wicked, but really it is the ignorant user that does harm with it. Catlover has obviously done some studying on the matter, so I don't feel it will be misused in this situation. You are right about the "who uses them properly?" part, mostly. I do want to slap some people I see using them, like the teenager I saw dragging a 10-week old puppy in a prong collar around my store on it's belly because it was too scared to walk. You don't use something like that on a puppy that young. The prong collar does have it's place and it's uses, like for very muscular dogs that can hurt someone when they aren't well-behaved on a leash or when you are training a working dog that MUST be well-disciplined.

Be careful with the Halti headcollar. If your dog is bad about lunging or making sudden fast dashes at things it wants to chase there is a possibility it could cause neck injuries. For leash pullers or lungers I like the Sporn harness.
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I'd like to add, that even with the gentle leader/halti if used improperly it can cause damage. Both of those will tighten around the mouth when pulled tight. All forms of training collars need to be properly fitted and used, all have potential risks if not used correctly.
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