Originally Posted by Bengal Cat
Kim What is RMB ? Also what are you supplimenting with. I admit that I'm new to the raw thing but have dome some reading on it. It sounds like your just throwing anything raw at them. How long have you been doing the raw diet ? Dont get me wrong I'm not trying to say your doing anything wrong because I dont know whats wrong or right at this point. But from what ive researched raw meat although appears to be excellant for them is unbalanced. Also what types of meats are you buying just plain old stuff from the grocery store or are you buying holistic type raw meats ??
Originally Posted by kim
i dont "make" any food for my cat, or my dog. what they eat is primarily RMB's and i supplement only with what is necessary - my dog gets fish oil because he can't eat fish, and thats about it. raw is not as hard as it sounds or as some make it- my cat is currently eating pretty much what the dog eats, plus some fish - thriving on variety, and enjoying their meals!
how did i switch over? im lucky, she is almost a natural. i have found ground raw meats almost any cat will eat. i took out canned food and fed raw meat instead - now, i stopped giving dry for the most part and the cat just eats raw
if you want more info on how to transition (and it CAN be problematic, especially getting them to eat bones), i would join a raw feeding cat list.
yup, RMB is a raw meaty bone. except, i dont consider chx wings or necks to be ideal - frankie has had some chicken breast, turkey backs, some beef ribs, and some pork necks. the only bones she is currently ating are the chicken ribs, and some ground bone - were still working on that. she eats whole meaty meats just fine though
frankie isnt getting any other supplements. cats are strict carnivores and dont need carbs or veggies, by many points of view. there are many websites out there - most "recipes" for a raw cat diet are exactly that - recipes that involve ground meat and supplements that i dont feel are necessary if you feed a well rounded diet full of variety.
i have been raw feeding my dog for close to 2 years, and researched cats for months before getting and switching frankie. i feed more towards the prey model, with whole RMBs and obtaining nutritional adequacy through variety. they do get veggies occassionally (in the ground mixes) and the dog gets human food, so there are more veggies for him - but then again, he is not a strict carnivore. the whole prey model is pretty much the cam of dr. lonsdale (of RMB promote health fame). you can view dogs who eat prey style at www.rawfeddogs.net
there are 1200 different ways to feed raw, just as there are 1200 diferent ways to feed kibble. i researched this, and to my mind, this makes more sense. if i am feeding raw and supplementing with 20 different supplements, - that means that osmething is missing in the DIET. i can do the same thing with kibble. i can obtain a nice balance of nutrients by feeding a variety of meats that are higher in certain things, lower in others. i dont focus on poulty - they get half white meat/poultry and half red meat.
things i feed: lamb, duck, rabbit, turkey, chicken, cornish game hen, beef, and pork - these are in daily rotations. add fish in for the cat, the dog doesnt eat it. the cat gets fish maybe 1 meal a week.
things in buy in these varieties: ground in all of them, but not too much. i have more ground now because i used it to transition the cat over. and i still feed it to the dog some mornings each week when i wont be home for a long time.
lamb: necks, ribs, shanks.
turkey: whole, necks, wings, just meat, bone in breast
chicken: whole, backs, necks, and wings, meat, bone in breast
game hens: whole
beef: ribs, necks, just meat, oxtails, butt roats, etc- and GREEN TRIPE
pork: necks, ribs, shoulder roats, butt roast, etc
other things i dont have in regular rotation - goat meat, which the dog adored but smelled a lot. venison, buffalo, kangaroo - dog adored, but expensive and i can only obtain ground, its over 4-6 bucks a lb most of the time.
where do i get them? some do come from the foodstore when they have a nice sale on beef meaty meat most of the time - however, the othesr come straight from either food dealers/butchers or dog food/raw companys (the ground is oma's pride or bravo - www.omaspride.com
). much of the meat i buy is organic or "natural" grade, save for some things i just cant afford as such - lamb, for instance, is insanely priced when organic!
the dog eats whole obviously much more than the cat - because he is able to. mostly the cat eats a well rounded bit of what the dog has - if its ground, 2-3 oz of what he has. if its RMBs, i cut off a portion of the bone and with a lot of meaty meat on it and she has that to gnaw on. she has her own stuff (fish, for instance), and the dog cleans up what she doesnt eat. when there are organ meats involved, i just toss a teenier bit to the cat.
meat isnt unbalanced when you rely on variety to give you what they need. cats, unlike dogs, are strict carnivores and i am suprised honestly at how many people feed them veggies and carbs like it is part of the requirement (not a jab at kibble feeding, just a question). the dog world is MUCh more adamant about dogs being strict carns, and i dont believe that they are. if frankie needs supplementation, i may do it in the future, but it would be a 1 pill kinda thing - more in hopes of obtaining ideal rations of certain nutrients that i want to be sure are in the meats - taurine, etc (since taurine levels decrease with prolonged freezing, and dr. kittleson has said that he has seen raw fed cats have actually LOW levels of taurine int he diet, leading to DCM).
i have a healthy 1 year old (or so) cat, who is doing well.
i have a 6 year old dog, who has DCM, cancer, IVDD (Cervical), recurring perineal hernias, and a resolved atonic bladder. by all accounts, this large breed dog should be gone by now. the DCM will kill him at some point most likely, but for now, not only is he cancer free, and only SLIGHTLy neuro due to his IVDD, he is actively training, preparing to compete, and loving life. i dont think there is a single thing wrong with his diet
and not to throw this in, because my school does not endorse my feeding practices, bust rest assured my animals receive necessarily medical attention and are checked at least twice a year by a vet (ok the dog, havent had the cat long enough) - i am a third year vet student and my dog is as healthy as he can possibly be. looking at him you wouldnt believe what he has.