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State of Hawaii bill

This is the ignorance we have to deal with in our state of Hawaii.

HB2329 - is going to allow round up and kills of any and all cat colonies. It will also cause us to be fined $100.00 for each cat we can not prove was s/n. Please get read this carefully. It is saying that feral cats/homeless cats are sick, diseased and causing health issues to private own anmals and people. We know that is not true. We know private own animals do not necessary get all the current shots, vet visits. Also, they have done no studies on our island to prove this. They are just throwing this out as truth. No local island scientific data supports this. Have they randomly blood checked privately own cats to homeless cats? No not the ones that people take to the vet, I mean randomly coming to neighborhoods and offering private pet owners free blood test on their cats - No study like that has ever happen. So we know this is just lies so they can come and do constanst round up and kills.
Please stop this bill - it is an open gate to do round up kills everywhere, even for fining people who take care of cat colonies in there own back yard. Thats how extreme this bill could do, or after passed modified to do. Let say your neighbor complains about your cats, they can fine you for each cat that they think is not S/N, if you can not show proof.

Page title: Mandatory Spay/Neuter for Cats - At first sounds good - but read the bill and its a killer.

Link to full page: http://www.hsus.org/legislation_laws/st ... r_for.html
Tommy Waters is pushing this bill - call 974-4000, or 974-69450, or 808 586-9450, Fax 808 586-9456

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Where does it say that? I can't see any text to this effect in the bill itself (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessio...ls/HB2329_.htm) nor on the page you link to.

The bill in fact opens with the statement:

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A permit system for breeding cats owned or harbored in the State, combined with a program for spaying and neutering, would provide a reasonable and effective means of reducing the population of abandoned or stray cats and eliminate the practice of euthanizing apparently homeless cats. Euthanasia would be permitted to terminate a cat's suffering or to protect individual or public health and safety or the health or safety of other animals.
If you have more information as a Hawaii resident, then could you link to it? Because unless there's additional information out there that I can't find, the only problem I can see is if the bill holds people who feed feral colonies responsible if the cats haven't all been TNRed. And honestly... I don't know that I necessarily have a problem with that, either.

I realize this is a statement likely to get me into trouble... but as much as I love cats, there should not be feral cat colonies on islands with as much endangered wildlife as Hawaii. Cats are introduced predators and like all introduced predators, can wreak absolute havoc on island ecosystems. Feeding a colony of unaltered cats in such a sensitive ecological environment is part the problem, not part of the solution. I can forsee some technical problems with this (what do you do when people try and honestly CAN'T trap those last few cats) but in principle I have no problem with the idea that "You feed 'em, you neuter 'em," not on an island.
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Life is precious. This forum was designed specifically for the purpose of saving the lives of feral cats. The people who visit here spend their own money and time to make certain these cats are spayed and neutered, Some have successfully tamed their ferals, and they are now house pets. They often hand raise stray kittens. They come here to share their knowledge or learn from one another. These people have a great respect for all living things. I consider them heroes. I couldn't fault them for not being 100% successful.

I was unable to find the controversial part of the bill either. T/N/R has been found to be much more effective in keeping the feral population down than the killing of these populations. And the regulation of the breeding of pure bred cats is an excellent idea. Perhaps I have missed something.




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TNR does work. Husband and I watched a program the other night on a cable channel (history? discovery? learning channel?, maybe animal planet?) styled after Rome, Italy's success with TNR. The program we watched was about volunteer TNR-ing feral cats left behind in the abandoned districts of New Orleans, Louisiana in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

Most of the cats seemed okay, but did not carry the weight I would like to see a nice housecat, or even cared for outdoor/feral cat, look like. TNR reduces the numbers naturally, by not allowing procreation and thus over-burdening the food sources. TNR also prevents competition between males for females and between females for kittening/feeding areas. Many feral cats do not live long lives. All it takes is one illness or injury to prevent the cat being able to care/feed itself before it heals and it will succumb to it's illness or injury.

I would not know what to suggest about the few crafty ferals who are able to avoid capture. I would hate to see lethal (firearm) means used.

The only problem I see with this bill is the vague wording, which could lend itself to creative interpretations.



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When did I say I didn't like TNR? I think it's a great idea. It looks like the people who wrote the bill think so, too, since it basically makes TNR the law.

I presume the main objection is that people could be fined for feeding un-neutered ferals (you don't have to read between the lines for that... it says straight out that any cat you feed for 60 days is considered to be "your" cat). I think a law like that would be overkill in many parts of the US, but given the sensitive nature of the local ecosystems in Hawaii I can see why the state government wants to do it: it would be environmentally irresponsible not to try to do something.

However, unless there's some implications I'm not seeing, I don't see how this is going to lead to rounding up and killing cat colonies: in fact, it looks like that's exactly the thing they're trying to avoid doing.
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I agree about having to protect the native flora and fauna, especially when they are endangered. Islands do have a unique ecosystem, as they are delicately balanced themselves. Introductions of other species can have awful consequences. Madagascar and Australia come to mind.



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I care deeply about the environment. However, I believe the answer to keeping the population of feral cats down is spaying and neutering, not destroying.




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I am for TNR and having most cats s/n.

Report Title:
Cats; Breeding Permits; Spay; Neuter
Description:
Establishes a breeder permit system for cats and a spay and neuter program to control the cat population in the State.

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
H.B. NO.
2329

TWENTY-FOURTH LEGISLATURE, 2008

STATE OF HAWAII

A BILL FOR AN ACT

relating to ANIMALS.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF HAWAII:

SECTION 1. The legislature finds that euthanasia is not a cost-effective, acceptable, or ethical solution to the threats to public health and safety posed by the large populations of stray, feral, or homeless cats throughout the State. Stray and abandoned pets, specifically cats, create numerous public health and safety problems, including transmission of disease and traffic hazards created by cats running loose on public streets, in public parks, and in other areas.

A permit system for breeding cats owned or harbored in the State, combined with a program for spaying and neutering, would provide a reasonable and effective means of reducing the population of abandoned or stray cats and eliminate the practice of euthanizing apparently homeless cats. Euthanasia would be permitted to terminate a cat's suffering or to protect individual or public health and safety or the health or safety of other animals.

The purpose of this Act is to provide for the public health, safety, and welfare through a program requiring spaying and neutering of all cats in the State unless appropriate permits are acquired.

SECTION 2. Chapter 143, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended by adding a new part to be appropriately designated and to read as follows:

"PART II. PERMITS AND REQUIREMENTS FOR CATS

§143-A Definitions. Whenever used in this part, unless the context otherwise requires:

"Person" means any individual, partnership, firm, joint stock company, corporation, association, trust, estate, or other legal entity.

"Releasing agency" means any animal shelter, animal rescue league, pound, animal control facility, animal control officer, humane society, or society for the prevention of cruelty to animals that is operated or contracted by the State or any county to conduct animal control functions or operations.

§143-B Spaying and neutering. (a) No person shall own or harbor in this State, any cat over the age of six months that has not been spayed or neutered, unless the person:

(1) Adopted the cat from a releasing agency and executed a written agreement with the releasing agency to have the cat spayed or neutered within thirty days of the adoption date or within thirty days from the date that the cat reaches sexual maturity; provided that the cost of the spaying or neutering shall be the responsibility of the adopting party;

(2) Holds a license or permit to keep an unaltered cat;

(3) Holds a license and permit for breeding cats issued by an animal control officer for the county in which the person resides; or

(4) States that, due to age, health, or illness, it would be inappropriate to spay or neuter the cat, and possesses a letter from a licensed veterinarian stating such, which shall be provided to the appropriate animal control officer.

(b) An intact permit shall be issued for an unaltered cat when an owner signs a written statement that the cat shall not breed unless the owner has first obtained a breeding permit. An intact permit may be issued by an animal control officer to any owner who refuses to spay or neuter the owner's cat. The annual fee for an intact permit shall be $100 a year for each cat. All funds from intact permits shall be deposited in the spay and neuter account or general fund, if no spay and neuter account has been established, of the county in which the owner resides.

(c) Any person providing care or sustenance for any cat for an uninterrupted period of sixty days or longer shall be deemed the owner of the cat and shall be subject to this part. A county by ordinance may require a person who provides care or sustenance for any feral cats to hold a permit under this part.

§143-C Breeding permits. (a) Each county animal control officer shall administer a permit program to allow the breeding of cats consistent with the criteria and procedures in the appropriate county ordinances; provided that where a county has any ordinance specifically prohibiting the breeding of cats, the county's ordinance shall govern with respect to that provision only.

(b) No person shall cause or allow the breeding of a male or female cat without first obtaining a breeding permit issued by the animal control officer. Breeding permits shall be valid for twelve months and renewable on an annual basis for a fee of $100 per cat. A breeding permit shall require that:

(1) No offspring may be sold or adopted and permanently placed until reaching an age of at least eight weeks;

(2) No offspring may be sold or adopted until immunized against common diseases as determined by the chairperson of the board of agriculture in accordance with chapter 142 to be contagious or injurious to public health or to the health of other animals;

(3) Any breeding permit holder advertising to the public the availability of any animal for adoption or sale shall prominently display the breeding permit number in any advertisement. The breeding permit number shall be provided to any person adopting or purchasing any animal bred by the permit holder; and

(4) The breeding permit holder shall adhere to minimum standards regarding the care and keeping of animals pursuant to this part and chapter 142.

§143-D Sale or adoption of cats. (a) Any person or licensed business who provides or offers to the public, whether or not for compensation, any pet or pet related goods, where they are the primary products, or pet services shall provide to their clients, at no charge, information relating to pet care and ownership, including information on state and county laws pertaining to animal care and control, including licensing and permits.

(b) Any person offering cats for sale or adoption shall disclose to any purchaser or adoptive owner, information regarding the cat licensing or permit requirements of the county in which the owner resides.

§143-E Revocation of permit. (a) Any permit issued may be revoked if an animal control officer has reasonable cause to believe that:

(1) The permittee has violated the provisions of chapter 142, or other state law or county ordinance relating to the keeping, care, or use of any animal;

(2) The permittee is in violation of any state health or safety law or rule regarding animal care or control;

(3) The permittee has failed to comply with any condition or requirement of the permit or has failed to pay any fee imposed under this part;

(4) The permittee has refused to allow inspection, upon forty-eight hours of written notice, of any cat covered by any permit issued pursuant to this part or of the premises on which the cat is kept; or

(5) The permittee has transferred, sold, or otherwise disposed of the cat for which the permit was issued.

(b) If, after investigation, the animal control officer concludes that it is probable that one or more of the grounds for revocation in subsection (a) has occurred, the officer shall transmit by mail, written notice of the possible permit revocation to the address of the permittee. The notice shall specify:

(1) The grounds of possible revocation of the permit; and

(2) A date and time for an informal hearing to be held before the animal control officer.

The hearing date shall be not less than five days after the date that the notice is mailed. After the informal hearing, the animal control officer may modify the terms of the permit or revoke the permit. If the health or well-being of the animal is in danger, the animal control officer may take custody and control of the animal until a hearing is conducted pursuant to this section.

§143-F Farmland exemption. Farmland means any tract or tracts of land, including woodland and wasteland constituting a farm unit that is actively devoted to agricultural or horticultural use including: forages and sod crops; grains and feed crops; fruits and vegetables; poultry, dairy, and other livestock and their products; nursery, floral, and greenhouse products; and any other food or fiber products useful to people. Any person who owns or harbors a cat and who resides on farmland shall be exempt from this part.

§143-G Abandonment of cats. Any owner or any person having charge or custody of a cat, who abandons the cat shall be punished as provided in section 711-1109.

§143-H Penalty for violation. Any person who violates the license or permit provisions of this part shall have no more than thirty days to have the cat spayed or neutered or provide proof from a licensed veterinarian indicating that arrangements have been made to spay or neuter the cat. The animal control officer shall inform any persons subject to this section of the availability of any reduced cost or free spay and neuter programs available for low income persons and any programs sponsored by local humane organizations offering low cost or free spaying or neutering. If an animal is not spayed or neutered within thirty days of the notice, the violator shall be subject to a $75 fine for each thirty days that the animal is not spayed or neutered. Funds generated pursuant to this section shall be deposited in the spay and neuter account of the county where the violation occurred and shall be used to fund low-cost spay and neuter programs in accordance with section 143‑K.

§143-I Responsibility for enforcement. The county animal control officer shall be responsible for the enforcement and administration of this part.

§143-J Time for compliance. Any person who owns or harbors a cat subject to this part on the effective date of this part shall have one hundred twenty days from the effective date to comply with this part.

§143-K Low-cost spay and neuter accounts. (a) All revenue generated pursuant to section 143-H and section 143-3 shall be deposited in the respective county's spay and neuter account. These revenues shall be divided equally, with fifty per cent reserved for the exclusive use of funding a low-cost spay and neuter program for the cats of any person who qualifies for:

(1) Any public assistance program pursuant to chapter 346;

(2) The food stamp program authorized by Title XIII of the federal Food and Agriculture Act of 1977, 7 USC 2011 et seq.;

(3) The supplemental security income program authorized by Title XVI of the federal 22 Social Security Act, 42-USC 1381 et seq.;

(4) The federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families Act authorized by 42 USC 601 et seq.; or

(5) The medicaid program authorized by Title IX of the federal Social Security Act, 42 USC 1381.

The person shall provide proof of eligibility for the low-cost spay and neuter provisions of this section to the appropriate animal control officer.

(b) All remaining funds shall be deposited in the respective county's spay and neuter account, or general fund, if no spay and neuter account has been established, to fund the spaying and neutering of animals currently residing in the county's pound and to fund low-cost spay and neuter programs."

SECTION 3. Chapter 143, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended by designating sections 143-1 to 143-19 as "PART I. LICENSING OF DOGS".

SECTION 4. Section 143-1, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended to read as follows:

"§143-1 Definitions. Whenever used in this [chapter,] part, unless the context otherwise requires:

"Officer" means any sheriff, deputy, any member of a police force in counties with a population of less than 100,000 and animal control officers of the several counties of the State[;].

"Owner" includes every person owning, harboring, or keeping a dog; provided that if the owner is a minor under the age of eighteen years, the parent, guardian, or other person having the care, custody, or control of the minor shall be irrebuttably presumed to be the owner[;].

"Unlicensed dog" means any dog for which the license for the current year has not been paid or to which the tag provided for in this chapter is not attached."

SECTION 5. Section 143-2.5, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended to read as follows:

"[[]§143-2.5[]] Regulation of other animals. (a) Nothing in this [chapter] part shall be construed as a limitation on the authority of the counties to regulate, including by licensure, animals other than dogs.

(b) The provisions of this part shall be in addition to the permits and other requirements for cats in part II."

SECTION 6. Chapter 143-3, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended to read as follows:

"§143-3 License fee controlled by ordinance. (a) Except where licenses are dispensed with pursuant to section 143-2, each county council shall have the power to fix the license fee for dogs on a biennial basis. Until and unless otherwise provided by ordinance the biennial license fee for each dog shall be [$4.] $5. Any person owning or having the custody or control of any dog shall pay the license fee to the director of finance of the county in which the dog is owned, kept, or controlled. The license fee shall be due and payable on January 2 of every second year and shall be paid before March 11 of every second year, or within thirty days after the exemption ceases in the case of dogs becoming subject to this chapter.

The full amount of the fee shall be paid for any fraction of the license period for which a license is issued.

(b) At least $1 from each dog license fee collected shall be used to fund low cost spay and neuter programs established under this chapter. All moneys received by the director of finance under this chapter shall be paid into the general fund of [such] the appropriate county[.], unless the county chooses to create a separate spay and neuter account, in which case at least $1 of each license fee collected shall be deposited therein. Any revenue collected pursuant to this chapter for the purpose of funding low cost spay and neuter programs that goes unused during any calendar year shall remain in a county's spay and neuter account or general fund, if no spay and neuter account exists, for use during the following fiscal year."

SECTION 7. Statutory material to be repealed is bracketed and stricken. New statutory material is underscored.

SECTION 8. This Act shall take effect on July 1, 2008.

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That seems reasonable. Of course it would take time to spay/neuter all of the feral colonies. However, there's a loophole that would cover the time required. I believe that anyone caring for ferals should get some assitance with, or free spaying and neutering. It would be great it they got some free food also. The population will drop by attrition.




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