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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 07-25-2009, 10:08 AM Thread Starter
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Im a bit confuzzled ... would lungs be considered a good addition to a raw diet...?

At the moment mine are getting (meals per week) ox heart, Ox kidney,minced chicken, chicken neck..... now I can get a mixture of offal that includes lung, liver,tripe sundry other bits and pieces of carcasses and fat....

the heart, kidney and of course the neck is in chunks , but the other mixture is minced ....so their diet will be half to chew and the half to swallow ....

I just cant find anything on lungs tho?

I also never knew a ox heart was so big .....heavens they weigh 2.5 kilo's

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Re: More questions :)

Lung is edible of course but there has been debate on just WHAT it is, whether it actually counts as an organ or not. So I'm not sure if you should count it as your organ or not.
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Hmmm its tricky isnt it , and its so cheap .

They are already getting muscle and organ with the heart and kidney tho, I wonder how much nutrition is in it ?

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Carol, if you aren't feeding liver, then you should buy the offal mix to include liver in their diet. As far as lung is concerned, I have read such conflicting information on it. Some say it's secreting organ. Others say it counts as muscle meat. Some say it is the meat equivalent of popcorn (low nutrition). I don't know what it is, but I do feed it because I get a lot of it given to me by area butchers. I don't make it the primary component of meals, but I do use it as part of many of their meals.

BTW, lung is MUCH easier to cut up if you freeze it first.

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This mixture is about 50% liver , 30 % lung and 20 % fat so I reckon combined with all the other stuff im getting it should be fine we shall see how it goes .. thanks

They are getting such a cocktail of raw meats im hoping all their nutritional needs are being met . It certainly looks like it ...sleek , shiny overactive kittys.

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Lung is an organ but its tough to say whether its a secreting organ. The lung does play some other small roles in the body than just taking in oxygen. It regulates the ph in our body and uses and enzyme to convert something required for a bodily process. Again tough to say if it could be secreting or not. listed below are most of its nutrients. I would feed it if I was able to get it. But I would probably just include it in my organ rotation.

Beef, variety meats and by-products, lungs, raw
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Refuse: 24% (Blood clots and membranes)
NDB No: 13328 (Nutrient values and weights are for edible portion)

Nutrient Units 1.00 X 1 oz
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28.35g

Water 22.50 g
Energy 26 kcal
Energy 109 kJ
Protein 4.59g
Total lipid (fat) 0.71g
Ash 0.28g
Carbohydrate, by difference 0.00g
Fiber, total dietary 0.00g

Minerals
Calcium, Ca 3mg
Iron, Fe 2.25mg
Magnesium, Mg 4mg
Phosphorus, P 64mg
Potassium, K 96mg
Sodium, Na 56mg
Zinc, Zn 0.46 mg
Copper, Cu 0.074mg
Manganese, Mn 0.005mg
Selenium, Se 12.6mcg

Vitamins
Vitamin C, total ascorbic acid 10.9mg
Thiamin 0.013mg
Riboflavin 0.065 mg
Niacin 1.134 mg
Pantothenic acid 0.284mg
Vitamin B-6 0.011mg
Folate, total 3mcg
Folic acid 0mcg
Folate, food 3mcg
Folate, DFE 3mcg
Vitamin B-12 1.08mcg
Vitamin A, RAE 4mcg
Retinol 4mcg
Vitamin A, IU 13 IU

Lipids
Fatty acids, total saturated 0.244g
18:2 undifferentiated (omega 6) 0.048g
20:4 undifferentiated (omega 6) 0.040g

Amino acids
Tryptophan 0.042 g
Threonine 0.171 g
Isoleucine 0.219 g
Leucine 0.337 g
Lysine 0.325 g
Methionine 0.092 g
Cystine 0.071g
Phenylalanine 0.187g
Tyrosine 0.103g
Valine 0.226g
Arginine 0.278g
Histidine 0.139g
Alanine 0.284g
Aspartic acid 0.277g
Glutamic acid 0.489g
Glycine 0.208g
Proline 0.470g
Serine 0.231g
USDA National Nutrient Database for Standard Reference, Release 21 (200
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Lung is an organ but its tough to say whether its a secreting organ. The lung does play some other small roles in the body than just taking in oxygen. It regulates the ph in our body and uses and enzyme to convert something required for a bodily process. Again tough to say if it could be secreting or not. listed below are most of its nutrients. I would feed it if I was able to get it. But I would probably just include it in my organ rotation.

Beef, variety meats and by-products, lungs, raw
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Refuse: 24% (Blood clots and membranes)
NDB No: 13328 (Nutrient values and weights are for edible portion)

Nutrient Units 1.00 X 1 oz
etc...
USDA National Nutrient Database for Standard Reference, Release 21 (200

I found a site I thought was the same as that but it's not. The site I found mentions lung(cow) is high in cholesterol, 68 mg per oz...anyone know if that's a bad thing?

I have to admit I haven't even thought of looking at cholesterol amounts in raw feeding though, anyway here is the site...*edit* seems everything is listed as being high in cholesterol, soooo...

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/beef-products/3471/2

Anyways, if your cat likes it, I say feed it!
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Thanks a million for the help.

Now this morning I dug around some more and found dirt cheap turkey drumsticks that are used for soup kitchens .... also a chicken puree type thing called MDM used in the making of sausages..its pure chicken.

So now of the 14 meals they have weekly (twice daily) they wil get oxheart,ox lung , chicken livers,chicken mince,turkey drumsticks ..the puree ill a bit to chopped liver or something.... oh and kidney.

I have also noticed they are hunting a lot now .. we have cane rats here in the sugar cane .. enourmous beasts but they are catching the babies and I know the leopards love the cane rats ...

That should cover all their needs. And this friendly butcher I discovered (in a very grotty area of town) will make up my packets accordingly so I can collect monthly.

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That's fascinating! I had no idea that lung was higher in protein than heart and higher in iron than liver! I guess it really is worth feeding. All of a sudden I'm glad that my freezer is packed to the gills with beef lung.

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Im just as glad ..the only thing is the lung I got was minced , but ill use it up with other stuff ...my next order from Devesh (my friendly butcher) will be whole meats that we can chop so im a happy chappy.

its only beef and chicken I can get hold of easily , mutton is too expensive, even for us , and we dont get rabbit and venison isnt easy to come by in our area, pork is difficult because our area is predominantly muslim.

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