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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 12-09-2009, 04:53 AM Thread Starter
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What about fiber?

I am new to cats so this is all opinion and I could be very wrong.

Common sense dictates that feeding only raw meet will cause some form of problem in the bowels. In nature a cat catches it's prey - eats and tears through skin, feathers, hair etc which should count as some form of dietary fibre...

Will feeding stuff like clean tuna meat etc not throw the natural functioning of the intestines out of whack?
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Re: What about fiber?

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Common sense dictates that feeding only raw meet will cause some form of problem in the bowels. In nature a cat catches it's prey - eats and tears through skin, feathers, hair etc which should count as some form of dietary fibre...
Cats have no dietary fibre requirement, unlike us. Their "fibre" is bone. A diet too low in bone will often result in loose stools.
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Will feeding stuff like clean tuna meat etc not throw the natural functioning of the intestines out of whack?
Well, tuna isn't a good food for cats, really. Fed in VERY small quantities, raw only, and only to cats with no history of urinary tract problems, it could be used as a treat, etc. But generally it's best to avoid too much fish, which isn't actually a natural food for cats.
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post #3 of 7 (permalink) Old 12-09-2009, 06:07 PM
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Re: What about fiber?

There is no need to compare human digestion to a cat's. They are very different and their nutritional needs are too.

Here are two of my favourite websites:

This one will give you all the nutritional info you need for your cat:

http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm

This one is written by a vet who is very well versed on cat nutrition:

http://www.catinfo.org/

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post #4 of 7 (permalink) Old 01-05-2010, 06:26 PM
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Re: What about fiber?

Found this on the Maxhouse.com website.As we know, freezing food kills bacteria such as Salmonella?

Homemade Diets

Formulating your own cat food is a difficult and time consuming process. Also, the nutrients in the formula may not be available in the right quantities and proportions to be beneficial to your cat. Therefore, it is usually recommended that the cat owner use a commercial, nutritionally balanced product, unless a veterinarian recommends a recipe for a home-formulated ration. he amount fed is based on caloric content, quality of nutrients, and the cat's special dietary needs. Meat scraps from the table and specialty cat treats can be fed from time to time but should not be a steady diet for your cat. Those treats often lack the proper proportion of basic nutrients a cat requires to maintain its health. A rule of thumb is not to let treats exceed 10 to 15 percent of the cat's daily diet. Although raw meat is an excellent source of many nutrients, it is not recommended as food for cats, because it is a potential vehicle for toxoplasmosis. Also, salmonellosis can occur from contaminated meat and spoiled meat harbors various bacteria that can upset the digestive system.
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post #5 of 7 (permalink) Old 01-05-2010, 06:50 PM
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Re: What about fiber?

Quote from article in Cat Fancy March 2008

"IF you feed a cat Salmonella, it kills 98% of it before it comes out the other end. As soon as the stuff touches its mouth, a process starts."

"Nadeau is referring to an enzyme in cat saliva called lysozyme, which attacks bacteria as it enters the mouth. From there, any remaining contaminants enter the animal's extremely short and acidic digestive tract. Any pathogens surving the acidic bath have little time to latch onto before ejection"

"Between the cats natural cleansing system and its rapid metabolism, the chances of developing salmonella, toxoplasmosis and other ailments associated with raw food are slim."
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Re: What about fiber?

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Quote from article in Cat Fancy March 2008

"Between the cats catural cleansing system and its rapid metabolism, the chances of developing salmonella, toxoplasmosis and other ailments associated with raw food are slim."
Yeah that!!!

There are studies out there that prove cats are resistant to S. in far greater amounts than they could ever encounter naturally, but people have a hard time believing it. We have all been conditioned for years and years into believing raw meat is *que the spooky music* deadly.

And T. really shouldn't really be a factor in anyone's decisions, either. According to Cornell "Toxoplasmosis is one of the most common parasitic diseases and has been found in nearly all warm-blooded animals, including pets and humans. Despite the high prevalence of T. gondii infection, the parasite rarely causes significant clinical disease in cats-or any species." It's already everywhere, it hardly ever causes a problem (certainly in cats) and, when it does, it's a fairly easy fix. Certainly NOT a reason to not feed a species-appropriate diet.

Huh, I feel like I've been ranting.... am I ranting? Sorry!!! Of all the reasons NOT to feed raw, this one truly drives me crazy. Cats evolved to eat raw, if it was harmful to them, they'd all be dead already! *I'm going to get a drink.*
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Found this on the Maxhouse.com website.As we know, freezing food kills bacteria such as Salmonella?
Freezing does NOT kill bacteria. It does kill parasites.

Ditto what Auntie Crazy said. Salmonella et al is just not an issue for carnivores w/ acidic GI tracts. And given how many times salmonella has turned up in kibble, if it WERE a problem, kibble-fed cats would be having the problem, too. It really is a non-issue.
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