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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 04-17-2011, 09:19 AM Thread Starter
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AB-Resistant Staph in Raw Meats

I'm wondering if there are any thoughts here about the article posting late last week noting that nearly 50% of the raw meats tested, tested positive for multidrug-resistant Staphylococus aureus?

At the age of six-months, my now 10-month old purebred Abby male was tested positive/treated for TF and has since been re-tested for and deemed free of TF (and giardia) yet the symptoms remain. However, regularly-occasional bouts of pudding-like stool that are overwhelmingly stinky continue.

The kitten was never feed dry food nor any food containing grain. He favored chicken and was on a steady diet of By Nature's organic foods with about 10% of his diet being raw (typically fresh ground organic whole bird chicken from WF). Six weeks ago I took him off of chicken entirely (giving him EVO's 95% duck instead) so as to rule out a food allergy but the problem stool frequency never changed.

Anyone have similar experience?
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Ohhhh. You're gonna get it.

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If your cat had a staph infection, he would have a fever & more problems than just diarrhea. If you are really concerned, then the vet needs to test for it because your cat would have to be put on antibiotics. I don't know about the meat specifically, but it does seem like a cause for worry. I would be especially careful to monitor pets who may have it because it can be transferred to humans if you don't take proper precautions (ie- washing regularly & treating any wounds). However, people shouldn't freak out about owning cats because most people already have staph living on their skin & could easily get the infection from themselves.
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If your cat had a staph infection, he would have a fever & more problems than just diarrhea. If you are really concerned, then the vet needs to test for it because your cat would have to be put on antibiotics.
His primary - a staff veterinarian for Boston's Angell Memorial (the Massachusetts General Hospital for animal diagnostics and care) - is an internal medicine specialist (holding Diplomate, American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine certification) who is stumped after a number of tests spread over many visits. I'm hoping that this will put an end to useless shots and allow for a discussion from members who actually witnessed like symptoms. Thank you. AD
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Our new kitten had the worst runs, literally would stink us out of the house. We wormed her, but the smell/soft stool persisted (she is on a 50/50 raw canned diet at this point, moving towards a 100% raw diet).

What helped us was to actually go 100% raw, and give her slippery elm bark powder on her food daily. Maybe your kitten is just extremely sensitive to all processed foods? I have a friend with a chihuahua who can't have processesd foods of any sort, or he has the WORST runs and gets very sick.

On the article about staph.. well, I know ground meat can harbour much more bacteria than whole pieces - so that's why we feed ground meat minimally and mostly frankenprey/prey model. If I were seriously concerned about raw being evil-full-of-bacteria-that-will-kill-my-cats, then I would switch to a high quality grain-free canned. However, after 4 years of all sorts of raw (including ground for the first 8mths), we have had not one incident of sickness that wasn't my fault (too much fish oil or meaty meat and not enough bone causing the runs, or too much bone resulting in constipation).

Regardless, I would probably put the kitty on probiotics and slippery elm bark powder (to restore the gut flora). I have IBS and I know what kitty feels like.. it's no fun!

Sorry I couldn't be of more help. I hope your kitty feels better soon!

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Regardless, I would probably put the kitty on probiotics and slippery elm bark powder (to restore the gut flora). I have IBS and I know what kitty feels like.. it's no fun!
IBS is another of my primary concerns - a friend lost her show Aby to this disease at the too young age of six. I gave the Purina probiotic product a try (for the duration of the box size) but it had no noticeable effect.
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I just heard about this today. I'm personally not concerned since I'm very careful about checking up on the sources of my cats' meats. This is one of the big reasons I buy organic, and hormone/anti-biotic-free foods for both myself and my cats. From what I understand, overmedication of livestock is what causes these sorts of problems to begin with. If you're constantly treating your livestock with antibiotics, you're killing off weaker infections, until nothing is left but drug-resistant strains.

In any case, I don't have any advice for your kitten unfortunately. My kitten had the problems you mention but for her they were resolved with the removal of grain and kibble from her diet, so clearly it's not the same issue. I do wish you luck in trying to resolve this though!
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MRSA usually causes problems as a skin infection, so the American Meat group's response is disingenuous - staph won't cause stomach upset and diarrhea the way a classic food-borne illness does, so those statistics don't really fit. It is not so much the staph in the cooked food that matters, it's the staph that gets on the surfaces in your house, your fridge and so on.

In a non-hospital setting, staph causes nasty infections on the skin. It could definitely get on the paws and face of a counter-cruising cat or dog, too - and then circle back to family members. Add in the antibiotic-resistant aspect, and you have a giant headache for the whole family...

(In a hospital setting, staph introduced into surgery sites is a whole other issue - it can cause internal infections, sepsis and more...)

I am glad this got publicized, since there needs to be more public outcry over how livestock is treated in this country - the constant use of antibiotics in criminal, in my opinion....

Our son got a staph infection on his elbow two summers ago - probably at the community college where he took a summer class, there's lots of staph among surfers, athletes and young adults in dormitories. It took us more than a year to get the whole situation under control. We tried to avoid antibiotics, and used many natural products instead. It was a long ordeal.

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My boys had the worst diarrhea and stink that would greet you at the door then drive you out of it.
We tried deworming, three fecal flotations (all negative), bacterial test up the butt (healthy) and trying to "alter the colon content" with Proviable and special food. Their poop even had blood. Nothing worked but full raw diet.
There are some cats that require their species appropriate, obligate carnivore diet. They (their poopies and digestion) are unforgiving if you try to feed commercial pet food. Even the fancy ones like Evo contain completely unnecessary ingredients like dairy. That baffles me.
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I agree with the poster who suggested to try 100% raw.

Jitzu will be 7 this year and she can't eat anything processed without vomiting and having diarreah. When she's eating raw she has no problems. The only time she vomits is if she eats too big a chunk of something...silly girl.

She regularly eats raw chicken (it's usually processed chicken that causes issues IME), beef, pork, rabbit, fish, game meats are occasional.
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