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I wondered about all of that too. Bear with me, I'm having a bit of trouble organizing my thoughts on this.

It is sad when anyone is seriously injured or killed. It is even more sad when it is someone you can relate to. The article you posted stated that the journalist injured is one that many Americans can relate to. I can understand how the media would use that to make front page news. Also, it might be harder for Americans to have the same sympathy and empathy towards soldiers as they have for citizens (i.e., the journalist in the story). While I cannot minimize the fact that thousands of soldiers have lost their lives and thousands more have been injured, the fact is soldiers ARE trained for war, journalists are not.

That being said, I do think it's sad that this incident hasn't brought more attention to our soldiers being injured and killed, but rather it has only created another media storm surrounding ONE issue. The media only portrays what they think Americans want to see and sadly they feel that we care more about one identifiable man than thousands of unidentifiable American soldiers. (When I say "identifiable" and "unidentifiable" I'm referring to the fact that the journalist can be named by more Americans than most soldiers; not that the soliders are worthless. Please do not misinterpret that.)
 

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Of course he's not more valuable than our troops. People begin to feel as if they know celebrities in all fields, so it's as if a friend had been wounded or killed. Unfortunately, if a complete story were to be done on every one of our lost or wounded troops, the NY Times would be twice as thick as it is, and the television news would have to be limited to these stories. War is ****.
 

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Whenever we begin to hear about troop deaths, some decry that the liberal media is trying to undermine our resolve by emphasising how many people have died. Every time I see an article in my hometown paper about the numbers lost, it can be assured that there are such comments in reply on the web forum.
 

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What bothers me too is you when they show footage of the war they don't show all of the dead iraqi's and U.S. troops. They don't show the blood and carnage. IF you tune into Democracy Now or other like news sources you will see it. Not that I want to but I think if people actually saw the deaths of these people and not just hear about it they may feel differently about this war.
 

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The graphic coverage of the Vietnam war helped to bring that war to an end. And, of course, the killing of protesting (and uninvolved ) students at Kent State had a huge influence. I think there are very few wars that are justified. WWll is the only one in recent history that was unavoidable, in my opinion.

I hate to even think this, but I believe many people think war is exciting. They are gung ho about the "glamor" of war. Re-reading Stephen Crane's Red Badge of Courage is a good idea for all of us. Young people think they're invulnerable and all governments do their best to dehumanize the "enemy," just as they reverse the procedure when these enemies become our allies.

Here are some of the enemies of the twentieth century:

Germany
Italy
Japan
China
Russia

Remember the animalistic names we have given our enemies? Remember the cartoons showing the enemies as monsters? The purpose of that is to ready us for war. Good people don't want to kill other good people. But they will kill vicious animals. This is not an original idea, of course. I learned it in a Social Psychology class while in college. It is one type of propaganda.

These "vicious" animals are now our friends. Shades of 1984, by George Orwell! It's frightening. Double think.

I'm just venting. I'm basically a pacifist who realizes that there are some wars that are justified...very few.

This is off topic. My apologies.
 

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Jeanie- I still watch the cartoons that give our old enemies those nicknames! Talk about major propaganda in them!

On the subject though, I think the US would be shocked and in disbelievment if they were shown the truth on the nightly news at 5pm. It would literaly overhwelm some people and perhaps for them they would rather just hear the hero/celebrity stories. For everyone else though I think we'd rather hear the truth and see the gruesome pictures of war. Some people are realists and some live in a fantasy world where the government can do no wrong. I am a realist and this is "my" opinion! 8)
 

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Our troops are special because they are willing to grant something they value for the sake of The United States of America.
 

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Of course. As I said, if there were an in depth story on all the thousands who have been killed, the New York Times would be double in size. It's not a matter of priorities; it's a matter of practicality.

Cat Daddy, I really wish you'd understand that those of us who think there should not have been a war in the first place still support our own children, spouses, and siblings. Don't assume that those opposed to this war are against the troops. That's an insult against our integrity.

I think we've have people on both sides who have been acting a bit too strongly against those who disagee. This is America! We have the right to disagree. There is no need for this adversarial situation. People can discuss things in a respectful manner.

We are NOT Hanoi Janes. (I shouldn't even mention that, because she has apologized for that time after time, and regrets having said it. :( )
 

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1. Alan Combes, FoxNews, and I think he is in opposition, but he won't say anything that harms the efforts going on.

2. take the low IQ insult of the President,

Could there be a military member reading it?

I feel strongly to counter that stuff.

I'll try not to confuse the 2 different types.
 

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I refuted that post about the president's IQ. I think you're getting a bit too defensive, Cat Daddy. I think you're wrong, but I don't insinuate that you're not a patriotic American..

You cannot judge people by one or two. The IQ scam was an internet scam, and I researched it and found the truth.

I do not like or watch Fox News
 

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EChryst said:
Cat Daddy said:
Could there be a military member reading it?
God forbid.
Whoa. Okay, it bears asking... what, exactly, would it do to a military member if he read that someone thinks our President - someone whom most of them have never met - is an idiot? OH NOES! Differing opinions!

It seems to me that our brave men and women are fighting to protect our freedoms, not the least of which is freedom of speech. In fact, it seems to me that in terms of 'freedoms', that one's pretty high on the list. First Amendment and all. But maybe that one doesn't matter?
 

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Whoa. Okay, it bears asking... what, exactly, would it do to a military member if he read that someone thinks our President - someone whom most of them have never met - is an idiot? OH NOES! Differing opinions!

It seems to me that our brave men and women are fighting to protect our freedoms, not the least of which is freedom of speech. In fact, it seems to me that in terms of 'freedoms', that one's pretty high on the list. First Amendment and all. But maybe that one doesn't matter?
I don't know how what I said came across, but...

I wasn't serious replying with "God Forbid". I don't see the difference between a soldier reading this then a car salesman, a teacher, or a doctor. Everyone has their own opinion.
 

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Erik, you have a right to your opinion. And thank you for your service. I wish it weren't necessary, but I'm a dreamer and an idealist. I fear that unless the human race changes drastically, wars or the threat of war will always be with us. Oh, that we would all have the wisdom to solve our problems without the loss of life! :(
 

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Erik... okay. :D Sorry, I took you totally seriously and responded in kind. I apologise for taking your comment the wrong way.
 

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And thank you for your service.
I'd like to second that, thank you, I served during the 80s in Germany, I wasn't there,

but "the Red Army Faction" exploded a car bomb at a base parking lot killing 3, and blowing out windows in buildings nearby,

I had gone to the place a couple of days later and seen the hole left behind in the ground the size of a car,

when I hear of these bombings it always reminds me of doing gate guard, and I have a great appreciation for the job you all are facing.

I think the strong feelings on both sides is a good observation, and from http://www.cnn.com


(CNN) -- President Bush on Tuesday added his voice to Republican criticism of Howard Dean's statement that the United States cannot win the war in Iraq.

"I know we're going to win," Bush told reporters at the White House. "Our troops need to hear not only are they supported, but that we have got a strategy that will win."

Dean, the Democratic National Chairman, on Monday told a San Antonio, Texas, radio station that the United States appears to be making the same mistakes it made during the Vietnam War,

and the idea that the war in Iraq can be won is "just plain wrong."
Dean is saying the kind of things I don't think help, our military has held back in my opinion, and that don't mean they can't win,

we have brave troops who have held down damage to civilians that the enemy hides amoung.

Now the Iraqies are starting to take over, and because they would know the enemy from civilian better, hopefully that will help keep our troops safer as they serve.

I know we are winning, just looking at all the elections that have happened since, that's real positive progress from what that region was before.
 

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we have brave troops who have held down damage to civilians that the enemy hides amoung......

Now the Iraqies are starting to take over, and because they would know the enemy from civilian better, hopefully that will help keep our troops safer as they serve.......
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Cat Daddy, I hope with all of my heart that you're right, but this is an echo of Nixon's "secret plan" to end the Vietnam war. We left, with nothing accomplished, except that thousands died, many service men were addicted to drugs, and many had been harmed by Agent Orange. :(

The elections are a good sign, of course. I hope the Iraqis can govern themselves successfully, and suppress the radicals. Otherwise, all has been for nothing. What a tragedy that would be!
 

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Pentagon/Bush admin has a censorhip in place. The media is not allowed to
take photos of dead or injured soldiers. When Nightline had a program to read the names of all the US dead, conservative groups accused him of being "Unpatriotic" and not supporting the troops.

So at least this time the "liberal" media is not to blame.

"Iraqis are taking over" not an exact quote....Well it is more complicated than
that. How much do people know about Shia and Sunni relationship? who holds the majority, what will become of all the militias operating in the country independent of the Iraqi Government?

Who know Al-sadr's or Ayatollah sistani's background? Which groups are in what we know as the insurgent groups?

What is the history of the relationship between Sunni and Shia population?

Who on this forum can answer those questions, so please let's not repeat what you have heard on FOX news or any other Admin supporting media group..

I wish for a stable Iraq but at this point nobody, not even the "mission accomplished" circle knows what will happen in Iraq.

The best way to support the troops is not to have put them in that position in the first place. Shedding tears now does little for them or their families.

Peace
 
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