Neither appear to be torties. The black one is a black DSH (Domestic Short Hair). She(?) appears to have ghosting of mackerel tabby stripes.
The other one looks like a brown or grey mackeral tabby, again a DSH.
DSH is the breed, mackerel tabby is the coat pattern. (Tortie is also a coat pattern).
The other one looks like a brown or grey mackeral tabby, again a DSH.
DSH is the breed, mackerel tabby is the coat pattern. (Tortie is also a coat pattern).