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My gang have all taken very well to the raw diet, the shedding has stopped, the hairballs have stopped, Tysons tummy issue is fine, the skinny scrounger has put on weight and stopped scrounging.

But Ugly my exferal had gotten very skinny ..... she seemed to be eating the raw meat but I could see she wasnt happy .... I gave her some canned food last night with a worm tablet in case she could have worms and she wouldnt touch it , butr she possibly smelt the worm tablet.

I had a few kitten food pellets and I gave her that and she devoured the lot... I feel dreadful.... has she been starving herself???? or is it a possibility that she cant tolerate the raw food???? I got them used the new diet slowly as recommened but its been nearly two months now ...

I feel really bad about this poor cat ..im a rotten cat mother :(
 

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What I would do if I were you:

1. Try to give her baby food (human one), just make sure there is no onions or garlic in it. I've heard that cats love it but my boys wouldn't touch it.

2. Try to give her lactoze-free (or cats) milk - my boys love it very much, and I sometimes put yeast into it - it's good for gaining weight.

3. Try to give her low-far farmers cheese or yogurt or buttermilk - whatever she would eat. You can try sour cream but be careful because it is fatty. You may use low-fat sour cream or/and use water to make it less fatty.

4. Add probiotics to the food - any vitamin store should carry capsules or powder, it will help with proper digestion.

5. Add cats vitamins and/or L-Lysine - 500 mg a day, better get it in capsules (sprinkle over the food) or powder.

6. I would try to give her cooked oatmeal - maybe cooked in meat or fish water, maybe she will like it, it is a very healthy food.

Hope it will help.
 

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Carol, continue to feed her the kitten food. It will be adequately balanced for a feline diet. Even though the raw diet would certainly be higher quality than the kitten kibble, it won't do Ugly any good if she refuses to eat it. We always have to remember that each cat is an individual with individual needs and preferences. We have to be flexible when dealing with these picky individuals. Ugly wants what she wants, and she doesn't want what she doesn't want. Cats can't be starved into submission. They'll die first.

You aren't a bad cat mom. You just missed a problem until it became visually noticeable. It happens. It's happened to me. You have recognized the problem now, so now you can fix it. Give Ugly the kitten food until she picks the weight back up, then perhaps try to transition her to raw again more slowly with some kibble smooshed into the top of the raw food. If she still can't be convinced to enjoy raw, then perhaps she's just a kibble girl. Again, flexibility is the key. She's the one who will ultimately decide what she will and won't consume.

Don't fret, Carol. There's a problem that you can fix. Then carry on.

Laurie
 

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Thanks so much :D
 

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Yes, Carol, as long as she's EATING something, that is the best thing.

You can always try and switch her later after she see's how yummy it is for everyone else. Each cat can take much different amounts of time to do the switch, don't feel bad if it isn't right away for everyone.
 

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Ill have to get some kitten food fro her today ... in the meantime ill give her tuna , poor girlie.

I automatically also start any cat that looks skinny/ "under the weather" on an immune booster just in case something is brewing ...

I gave them all a good feel yesterday but she is the only one looking skinny , the rest have lost all that "hills" weight but are looking great.

Its always tricky with so many cats , keeping a head count of who is eating with 16 cats darting around is a bit er.... awkward.

I find it quite scary that cats and parrots will starve themselves if food isnt quite to their liking , no dog will .....

Converting a seed fed parrot to pellets and veg can be quite daunting.
 

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My vet once told me when I was having difficulty weaning Mellie off of a dry food craving: "If she won't eat what you feed her then feed her what she'll eat." So I had to do that for awhile, and start over with the process. But it all worked out in the end. She now devours wet food like it's going out of style. I don't see why it would be any different with raw food.
 

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NOBODY who goes to all that trouble to try to feed raw is a rotten cat mother!!!!

I'm glad you found what she likes to eat. Good luck adjusting her diet.
 

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Carol,

That's one of the reasons I started weighing all of my cats every two weeks back in 7/07. Before I started the bimonthly weigh-ins, one of my cats had become extremely thin and ill without my realizing it. By the time I got him to the vet, he was already fairly late stage CRF, and I was unable to stabilize his condition. I lost him a few short months later. In the wake of his premature passing and my ongoing guilt, I vowed to change how I managed the cats so that I could keep a closer eye on their conditions.

The first thing I did was remove the all day kitty buffet (this was long before I started feeding raw) and start feeding portioned, scheduled meals. That, and the bimonthly weigh-ins, made all the difference in the world in terms of keeping tabs on each cat's state of health. I now know within 12 hrs when a cat goes off his/her food and obviously isn't feeling well, so I can take nearly immediate action to address the problem. I also know when a cat's food portions need to be adjusted to maintain or achieve optimal weight.

I must admit, though, that one of my ex-ferals shredded a fair amount of my flesh learning to tolerate being weighed. And mealtimes can be a bit of a kitty roundup with a Pride of Fifteen. They don't always make things easy, these kitty kids. ;-)

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mmm weighing them all sounds like the best plan ... ill have to get a digital scale , I have a nice one for weighing food , but no cat is going to sit on it.

In the meantime ill give them all a more thorough hand examination daily.

Im also going to get shredded... Ugly and Blue are fine .. but spookie still wont tolerate being handled, and hubs is going to have to weigh copicat ..I cant even get him off the ground.

Ugly is a happy girlie again .. munching her kitten food quite happily.

Talking about kitty buffets , dont you just love putting their food down , and removing the empty dishes and washing them until the next meal???

No more kibble lying around for flies etc ....I love it .... the cats dont hang around the kitchen all day .. the come in , get stuck into their food and off they go.
 

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Copicat sounds like my Noddy. Noddy was another primary inspiration for my change in meal handling around here. He was morbidly obese at 26.45 lbs. Unfortunately, he wasn't my only obese cat at the time. The all-day buffet had served most of them far too well. I had fat cats rolling all over my house. It took about 18 mos to trim most of them down, and a few are still works in progress. Noddy is now a lean 16.25 lbs.

Unfortunately, Noddy is having a difficult time with raw meat. He started out fine, then decided he wouldn't touch bone at all in any form, then decided he would eat ground bone, then ate so fast that he urped everything back up within minutes, then kept food down as long as I fed him small amounts separated by a few minutes of "rest", and now can't keep down even a single tiny piece of raw. He even threw up some canned food I gave him the other night after he urped his raw meat. The only thing he can keep down reliably right now is his dry Innova Evo. I don't know what's going on with his digestive tract, but it's frustrating. I think I'm going to have to pull him off of raw entirely for a while and see if his gut settles down.

I'm glad that Ugly is eating well again for you. I'm sure she'll put the weight back on quickly now.

I do love seeing my cats eat their meals with enthusiasm, and I love not having kibble scatttered all over the place, attracting bugs. The benefits of scheduled, portioned meals far outweighs the convenience of the "buffet", IMO.

Laurie
 

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Thats a good idea Tim....

Laurie, Copi isnt fat .. he is huge .. he is the biggest cat I have ever seen ....the trouble is being a stray he also feels the need to eat like an absolute pig .

I must actually weigh the brute .... Freeway my other big boy is 6 kilo's also not fat( he was however an absolute porker) , but solid... and Copi is twice his size.

My crew were also all fat .... rolling with lard , that has now gone . What is the ideal weight for an average cat??? I know with dogs you need to be able to feel ribs. My two boxers I keep trim because of their age.
 

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With cats you should be able to feel their ribs under light pressure, and they should have a slightly indented waist behind the ribcage when viewed from above.

One thing I have noticed about weight loss in previously fat cats is that they don't lose their "lion's pouch" even when the rest of their body has achieved a lean weight. Noddy still has a large dangling pouch that swings and sways when he walks, but I can now feel his ribs, and he has a very definite waist. I think that pouch will be with him for life, though.

I know what you mean about a huge cat. Noddy, aside from his previously morbidly obese state, has the most massive skeletal structure I've ever seen on a cat. His head is humungous. His feet are like baseball mits (even moreso because he is extremely polydactyl). His legs are like little tree trunks. When he weighed 26.45 lbs and would knead my chest, I swear he made me breathless. I considered renting him out as a feline defibrillator. LOL! Now at 16.25 lbs, he looks almost a little too thin.

I have a pic of Noddy when he was still hefty zoned out on 'nip on the kitchen floor with little Roxie. I'll see if I can find it. Darn, the board won't accept my attachment.
 
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