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Crazy kitten! Tried everything so far, not sure what else to

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#1 ·
Our Emily is a rescue cat. We bought her from the local shelter. To start with, we were given the wrong cat. The one my b/f and I picked out was a manx mix with almost no tail at all, I'm sure of this because she smelled funny so I was checking for signs that she was sick and lifted her tiny nub of a tail at the adoption event. The following week when we went to pick her up from the vet, we found that the cat we were being given had a 5 inch long tail. She looked nearly identical except for the tail. So, we paid for Missy but got Emily instead (we named her).

Emily is an odd ball but we love her to bits. She's like a child to us both and amazingly smart. One of the smartest cats I've had. The only problem is her behvior half the time. Literally 50% of the time. Half the time she's sweet, cuddly, sometimes distant but generally gentle and affectionate. The other half of the time, she's one the TV stand pawing at my b/f's flat screen (claw marks on that are BAD!) and meowing for attention. She knows she's not allowed up there, if I get up to pick her up she bolts and hides under the bed and won't come out.

The reason she bolts is because when the usually verbal correction didn't work (and it works with most other things if she's in a compliant mood) we started using "time outs" by putting her in the bathroom for a little while. She has food and water in there and I often toss toys in when she's on "time out" but she can't stand to be without us so she hates it in there. Regardless, that doesn't stop her from getting into things such as the TV or jumping on the computer desk to eat whatever she can get her teeth around or trying to eat one of my books.

I've tried playing with her until my arms are so tired I don't feel like I can wave that feather teaser around any more but she'll still go insane by the end of the night and has to be put in "time out" because there's nothing else we can do. She stopped playing fetch for some reason and is only in the mood for fetch when I'm trying to sleep; THEN she brings me a toy, drops it on me and meows. If I throw it, she comes back with it. That's annoying because I'm trying to sleep! LOL I'm done playing for the day.
Otherwise, when I toss a toy for her, she'll run after it but then turn around and walk back meowing and without the toy, so I have to go get it myself and throw it again. She just won't come back with it if I'm not in bed!

As for the feather teaser, sometimes she goes nuts for it, but most of the time, she seems to get bored of it after 2 or 3 minutes. If I put it away, she wanders around meowing because she's bored or wants attention, I'm not sure which because she'll reject playing and won't stand being petted or held so I have no idea what she's after.

By the time I've given up, she's still at it. If I walk to the bathroom, she follows chasing my feet, trying to grab my legs and lately, has been trying to bite me as well. Last night she did this while I was sitting on the bed, something she's not really done before. She ran over, jumped on my knee and bit me hard. I gently picked her up (though I had to be fast because she knows better than to bite) and while scratching her head and talking softly to her, I put on time out.

We've tried everything we can think of and she's getting worse. We've even resorted to shouting out of sheer frustration which we both know doesn't work but it's as though she'd rather have negative attention than positive attention most of the time and we're at wit's end! Nothing holds her attention for more than a few minutes and even when I THINK I've worn her out enough for her to chill with us before bed, she STILL goes bonkers; wandering around crying for attention (that I want something meow), jumping on the TV, climbing on the desk getting into things and generally just trying to get noticed. We've tried putting her on "time out" at the same time every night for a while to get her to learn to calm down at that time of night but to no avail. NONE of the tricks I've used with the many other kittens I've raised/fostered have worked with her.

Last night I tried passive-aggressive restraint with her. Wrap the kitty tightly but gently in a towel (mostly to keep them still but also to keep them from hurting themselves or you) and then sit for a while with the cat laying belly up in the towel in your lap. Gently rub kitty's head, talk to her, soothe her and most cats calm down and give you a great big, relaxed sigh within half an hour. None of my previous cats have ever taken more than half an hour and it's been the best cure for an over anxious cat that I've found in over ten years. Emily just got worse with that method. I held her for n hour and she finally gave in a little but never really calmed down. I got a half-hearted sigh that wasn't quite what I wanted but it had been so long that neither of us needed to deal with the towel thing any longer. She was still in a mood after the towel! I'm lost.

I can't decide if she was feral before being rescued or taken from her mom too soon or neglected or abused or maybe even drugged (with those pet travel pills they use to calm anxious travelers) by the woman who fostered her before we took her home. There's something really not right with her but the vet says she's healthy!

PLEASE HELP! Any advice would be a help. Getting a playmate (which has been the common response from people that I've gotten with this issue) is out of the question right now. For one, at this point, I'm afraid she'd beat up on the new animal whether it's a cat or a dog. Secondly, we just don't have to space or the finances for a second pet right now.

One book I read suggested lightly (very very lightly) tapping her on the nose when she misbehaves as the mother cat would have corrected her in a similar fashion. That just pisses her off worse and she thinks we're trying to play rough and mean like another kitten would. But we don't have fur coats to protect our skin or claws to fight back with (not the mention that we're huge and could really hurt her in a play fight like that! LOL).

I'm out of ideas. Toys don't work, she either ignores them or destroys them in less than a day. Playing with her only calms her down until she catches her breath, then she's back to demon kitty mode. (A side note, during her first month with us, she jumped onto the bed in the middle of the night and bite me on the shin, down to the bone, drawing blood, and through the relatively thick comforter! I let out such a howl that she was scared silly and never did that again but she still gets mean like that.)

I need ideas. I suggested trying to find her a home with someone who can afford to spend hundreds of dollars buying diversion for her every other day but my b/f won't have it. He's attached and can't bear the thought of losing his little psycho baby. Again, she has her sweet moments and she's slowly learning to just cuddle but the psycho moods are escalating.
 
#2 ·
Smirkitty said:
We use a can of compressed air, like for cleaning computers. Have it near you when watching TV and let go a blast when she gets on the TV stand (without getting up). Don't blow it ON the cat, just in her direction. .
I will definitely try that. I've tried making a "tsst" sort of noise at her myself. LOL She crouches at the noise and then meows at me, but goes right back to messing with whatever off-limits item that's got her attention at the moment. Hopefully the can works better! LOL
Thanks for the response! :D
 
#3 ·
Good advice.
She sounds like an absolutely normal, healthy, playful kitten! You could just as easily been describing Nanook or Lucy when they were little (sometimes even now!).
Best advice I can give is patience. Keep up playing with her. It may not seem like it, but it does make a difference.
I think the biggest lesson I've learned from cats is to be willing to change the way I do things. There are just some things you may never get your cat to do or not do, so you have to adjust. If you absolutely can't have her on the TV because she might damage it, put something on it to protect it, try double stick tape, block her way. Kittens like to go places they aren't supposed to, so, when telling them doesn't work, get creative. Just make sure the TV is secure!
I would not do the restraint or tap on the nose "methods". Both can really backfire on you. Especially with a really smart, energetic cat, which Emily sounds like. She obviously wants a lot of attention and any attention, tap, wrap, scold whatever, is good to her. If timeout has become routine, it ain't gonna work. I'd try to reserve it for high offenses only now.
If you don't want her to bug you once you're in bed, ignore her. I mean, completely ignore her. It will take time, but she will figure out that, once you're in bed, playtime is over.
I know it can be frustrating when they keep doing something you don't like but, take a deep breath and remember: she's a kitten, she's not doing it to annoy you, she's just full of beans and play and curiosity and mischief. All the most fun and sometimes exasperating wonders of kitten hood!
Enjoy her! She sounds like an absolute cutie-pie! :D
 
#4 ·
I understand what you're going through. My two boys are now 11 months, and 9 months. They would egg each other on and race through the whole house knocking things over and being annoying. They even ran across my face a few times! I have a few suggestions that helped for us.

1. Laser pointer. She can't destroy it, it's super easy for you to do, and jumping up the wall is a really good way for them to burn energy. It's also non-contact.

2. 'Da Bird. My boys like any wand toy, but they go crazy for this one! Don't get the knock off, the original gets the results you want. Even my oldest girl (who DOES NOT play thank-you very much!) loves 'da bird. We play until they're panting, then stop.
Do play times probably twice a day (doesn't matter the toy, alternating is best), until she's panting. Try to always stop before she's ready, always leave her wanting more.

3. Different time outs. Putting her in the bathroom for a while is really only giving you a break from her, not teaching her anything. Esp if there's food and toys in there. We do use time outs, and they work great now. What I do is if someone is just being too bad (they get 2 warnings...but that's just me) I put them in the kennel. It's small, and boring. And now all of my 4 know if they're in the kennel they don't get to come out until they're calm.
Basically they need to learn how to settle down. At first time outs took up to an hour. Now, as soon as they're in the kennel they settle down. Try time outs this way, be consistent in putting her in when she gets awful, and always let her out once she's calm.
(I always leave the kennels out as sleeping spots, so none of mine hate the kennels...in fact they love to have naps in them!)

4. Find somewhere you can put her at night. The bathroom works fine for that, or an extra room you can cat proof. Only one of our 4 is allowed in our room, the boys used to get locked up until I trusted them enough to be left out all night. They know night time is not playtime, because they get no attention once we've gone to bed. Even yelling at her is attention. It doesn't matter how you respond, if you're responding at all it's too much attention.

5. Just something to try, not sure how well it'll work...but set feeding times may help. Feed her in the morning, and at night. Take the food away 20 minutes later. Cats naturally have a cycle. Wake up, hunt (play), eat, clean, sleep. Help her out with this cycle by planning it. Be prepared for her to get up about an hour before you feed her once you have a set schedule...feed her an hour after you get up, and don't give in to whining!

6. Squirt bottle. We use this as a reminder, "You are not allowed to be there/do that." Use this for the tv problem along with double sided tape. We taught them no counters (still working on it...) to begin with say "No. Off" In a firm voice and put her on the floor. Then try just saying it. If she gets off use a happy voice and say "Good kitty!". If she doesn't, give her a squirt. They learn very quickly when you say "Off!" to get off of whatever they're on.

7. Be consistent! Everyone needs to know the rules and enforce them the same way. If she knows your BF will let her get away with things she'll still do them when you aren't home and it will take longer to teach her. So everyone who lives at your place needs to pitch in. If they do she'll learn very quickly.

I hope these things help, I remember what devil kittens are like, lol. There is hope, now that my boys are a little older they know the rules. They also know when they're breaking the rules, lol. Keep in mind that she needs you to be her playmate. She's young and has loads of energy, it's your job to help her run it off.

Another thing that might help is to teach her some tricks. It sounds like she's a smart kitty that's very bored. Think of some things you could teach her, and easy ways to teach them. Keep in mind cats are different than dogs, so teach her before a meal...she'll work better that way.

Good Luck!
 
#5 ·
librarychick said:
... and don't give in to whining!
LOL Thanks. Most comprehensive advice I've gotten anywhere so far (I belong to two other forums/news letters and no help there). We''l def try the laser pointer and da bird. I saw those at the pet supply place but wasn't sure she'd go for it. So thanks for the little review there, very helpful!

Emma knows not to get on the TV and if we ignore her acting out for attention at bed time then she reaches up the TV screen and sometimes even tries to climb it! We tell her "Get down," as soon as she jumps up or "No," if we happen to catch her about to go for it. Her resonse to both is the same: Look at me, meow with that little whiney meow that I've come to understand as her saying something along the lines of, "I want something and you're not giving me my way, waahhh, so I'm going to ignore you and do what I want." LOL (She just does what she wants and if I give in an grab the feather teaser, she only plays for a minute or two before wandering around whining again.) If she's about to jump on the counter and I correct her like that, she gives up and walk away. So, she knows what I mean. LOL

You're absolutely right, she's just too smart to be entertained by stuffed mice, on her own, for more than a few minutes. She needs something more stimulating. We'll try the pointer and "da bird," and hopefully those will work. Though I tend to think that she needs other games, like the ones they make for dogs and small animals; those treat rollers or something. A toy she has to figure out. Chase the [insert toy name her] seems to get boring for her after a while. lol It's as though if she's not sleeping she needs something to occupy her busy little brain. When I go back to work, I'm not going to be here 24/7 like I am now, to keep her entertained so I'm a little worried about how nuts she'll be if I can't play with her throughout the day as usual.

Oh, tried the kennel thing. We've used it to take her to the vet before and then just as she was warming back up to it, I had to put her in it for about half an hour when the electrician came to fix wiring in the bathroom. It has her fav blanket (my bathrobe LOL) in it but she still won't go near it, she'd rather sleep on the floor. Too smart for her own good sometimes. LOL

On an up side, she knows when someone's not feeling well or is emotionally upset; she jumps into laps, nuzzles, cuddles, acts silly... She can be frustrating at times, but she's a blessing to have around. :)

Thanks again for all the advice!
 
#6 ·
GNaomiM said:
Though I tend to think that she needs other games, like the ones they make for dogs and small animals; those treat rollers or something.
I know that rachandnito uses something similar for her kitty, Nito. I've been thinking about it for mine, problem being that I feed raw so i haven't figured out what to put in the toy yet, lol. No kibble for my monsters!

I would go for it. Look in the dog section, there's a few that I like best. I'm a pet trainer at Petsmart, so I recommend these to my students.
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2751743
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753808
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3207105

IMO these would work best for a kitty. You could even just put breakfast in it, and then she has to work to eat. That way she's 'hunting', lol.

For the kennel problem, do you leave the kennel out, or hide it away?
I recommend putting it out, in an area you are in a lot. The living room works best in our house. Just ignore it, then wait for her to realize "Hey...it's comfy in there!" We always leave our out. It's amazing how many places you can put kitty hiding spots, we have tons of them.
 
#7 ·
I bought our kitties a "peek-a-prize" two Christmases ago and they love it. I can stuff it with their favorite toys and they'll fish them out for hours. I've also put in a small handful (about 8-12 pieces) of cat-treats and they work to fish them out.
When they get 'tired' of it, I'll put it away for a few weeks and when I bring it out, it is just as captivating as when it first came home.
heidi
http://www.catsplay.com/smartcat_peek.php3
 
#8 ·
Thanks for all the great suggestions! I'll look into those toys too. I think she'll love those. She's just so smart and think she might be part Abyssinian to top it off, so really active. :)
Been trying some of the earlier suggestions and already making a little bit of progress.
Thanks everyone! :)
 
#9 ·
nanook said:
Good advice.
She sounds like an absolutely normal, healthy, playful kitten! You could just as easily been describing Nanook or Lucy when they were little (sometimes even now!).
Best advice I can give is patience. Keep up playing with her. It may not seem like it, but it does make a difference.
I think the biggest lesson I've learned from cats is to be willing to change the way I do things. There are just some things you may never get your cat to do or not do, so you have to adjust. If you absolutely can't have her on the TV because she might damage it, put something on it to protect it, try double stick tape, block her way. Kittens like to go places they aren't supposed to, so, when telling them doesn't work, get creative. Just make sure the TV is secure!
I would not do the restraint or tap on the nose "methods". Both can really backfire on you. Especially with a really smart, energetic cat, which Emily sounds like. She obviously wants a lot of attention and any attention, tap, wrap, scold whatever, is good to her. If timeout has become routine, it ain't gonna work. I'd try to reserve it for high offenses only now.
If you don't want her to bug you once you're in bed, ignore her. I mean, completely ignore her. It will take time, but she will figure out that, once you're in bed, playtime is over.
I know it can be frustrating when they keep doing something you don't like but, take a deep breath and remember: she's a kitten, she's not doing it to annoy you, she's just full of beans and play and curiosity and mischief. All the most fun and sometimes exasperating wonders of kitten hood!
Enjoy her! She sounds like an absolute cutie-pie! :D
Nanook, yes, Emmy IS an absolute cutie-pie! As you can see from my avitar (which I finally got to work!). She's darling, but I don't remember any of my past kittens being this nuts at this old. (Emily will be a year old in July.) I could just have forgotten. LOL The last rescue I found on the side of the road in my home town (clear across the country from where I am now), was already an adult, though young and still playful; she was never nearly so crazy. (Her name is Tegan and she's my aunt's best buddy now.)

We are making progress with Emz though. She's doing better and not jumping on our heads as much at night. I've had to play with her feeding schedule to see what works best for her AND for me and so far we're doing better. The playtime is helping and I've been introducing her to the "great outdoors" little by little. We have a small balcony on the front of our apartment and letting her come out with me a few times a day is helping too. She LOVES sitting out there watching the cars and people and people with their dogs walking by. She's getting more relaxed and being sweeter but still has her moments.

It's sort of funny, she still has moments where she acts like an 8 week old kitten. It's as though she doesn't have the ability to retain memories as well, like a young kitten and can be so clumsy at times. I just assume, generally, that she's just a SUPER active/energetic girl and the lack of coordination comes from having only a 5 inch long tail (no rudder for steering in mid-jump, etc) and very long back legs (the Manx blood in her). She tends to play with that reckless abandon that I've only ever seen very small, wobbly kittens demonstrate.

That's exactly it: She reminds me of an 8 week old kitten trapped in a 10 month old body. LOL

Well, thanks for the tips and advice. We're still at it and still making head-way, even if it's slow progress. I'll have to try the double sided tape thing, nothing else works with that TV and the screen is plastic, easily scratched. Not to mention that she could pull it down on top of herself! She'd get hurt and so would the TV and my poor boyfriend would be beside himself on BOTH accounts! *Sigh* A mother's work is never done! LOL :lol:

**ON another note: Ignoring her just doesn't work. She only gets more determined to get our attention.
If we're sleeping and she wants to play or has run out of food (which I have to be careful about because she was starting to get fat!) then, well, here's what happens:
She jumps on the bed meowing. If that gets no response then she'll bring a toy up and continue meowing. If there's still no response she grabs the toy, drops it by my head and meows more. If there's STILL no reaction then she starts pawing at my head, nipping at my fingers, trying to get under my arm, digging at the blankets, grabbing a my hair, meowing more frantically and finally escalates to biting my head or nipping at my face! If I roll over or I'm just so tired that I don't wake up for all that then she starts in on my boyfriend with the same things. Generally though, she does wake me up. I simply roll over and after a few attempts she might get the hint or she might move on to another tactic: If trying to get our attention directly doesn't work then she'll get into something noisy like; clawing at the screen door that leads to the balcony or knock something over that makes enough noise that either I or my boyfriend finally wake up. (We've both gained the parents' ability to hear little girl getting into things she shouldn't, even in our sleep. LOL) Then she goes in the bathroom for the rest of the night because we both get up early during the week and need our rest! LOL
If we ignore the bad behavior while awake then she just gets into more things. Or gets more determined to get the attention she wants. Even if we've played several times that day.

It's random though. Some days she's fine, playtime goes smoothly and she doesn't really act up at all. Other days she wants nothing to do with the toys, playtime starts getting mean, like she's in a bad mood and she gets into everything no matter how much I try to wear her out.

LOL *sigh* Our little angel really IS a handful! :roll: :blackcat :eek:rcat :jump LOL :)
 
#10 ·
Wow. Your kitty sounds almost exactly like mine. Just really bored and looking for play all the time (but what kind of play?? she doesn't know, she just knows she wants it :)) ) I was able to deal with the night problem though. She finally stopped waking me up at night about a week ago. We've had her for almost three months now and this was the first week I slept through the night. She used to get really bad with the biting at night if I ignored her. She would start biting any exposed part (even on the face) pretty hard. So I started doing this very consistently: When she would bite at night, I would just push her off the bed and turn my back to the edge. If she jumped up five times, I did it five times. If ten, I pushed her off ten times.. I wouldn't say anything to her or do anything else. Just as soon as she bit, she was pushed off. And if she tried to jump back on with meowing, she would get pushed off again. Pretty soon she would get tired of jumping up on the bed and stop. It really took a lot of patience, but now she never bites me at night anymore. She still occasionally comes and sticks her whiskers in my face, but I just put my face in the blanket and she leaves right away. It's so nice to not be woken up at night from being bitten :))))
 
#11 ·
I know that rachandnito uses something similar for her kitty, Nito. I've been thinking about it for mine, problem being that I feed raw so i haven't figured out what to put in the toy yet, lol. No kibble for my monsters!
I use the Slim Cat treat dispenser to give Nito his breakfast in the morning. I set it so that the wholes are small enough to let about one or two kibbles through easily. It occupies him for about an hour at breakfast time, and it usually has kibbles left over that he can work for throughout the day. Chica still hasn't figured the thing out, but I am happy with my purchase!

http://www.petco.com/product/106777/Mul ... erralID=NA
 
#12 ·
I just have to say that I grew up with a manx cat (completely tailless, a "rumpy" as they call them), and from what I understand she was the absolute craziest kitten my parents have ever had. By the time I was old enough to retain memory of her she had transformed into a total doll: affectionate, tolerant, polite, undemanding. However, according to the stories, she was a real pain for the first year--climbing the curtains, etc. So don't lose hope!