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Hi,

My two cats used to go outside to do their business (they have a catflap on the front door). Last month we had a fox in the neighbourhood and noticed one of them was peeing inside the house during the night, we thought the fox was the reason and put a cat litter inside the house.

They've been using the cat litter for a month, but yesterday they peed and pooed inside the house!! I just cleaned the litter yesterday night, so it wasn't a case of it being too dirty....I'm really stressed as I have laminate flooring which can be ruined by the pee.

Anyone in this situation? What can i do? Both cats are 12 years old (good health overall), could this be just a sign of age?

Next week they'll have to spend 4 days alone as I'm away and I'm terrified they do it again!! :(
 

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Shows my ignorance but I thought Laminate was one of the easiest floorings to clean. Are they still going out in the day? Where do you have the litter boxes and how many?
 

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I have laminate, although no one has pottied on it, there has been watery throw up on it and it was fine.

They still could be getting use to the litter boxes. Yes you should have 2-3 boxes and put in different areas of the house, make sure it's easily accessible, not near food/water , etc.
 

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The number of litter boxes is an individual choice, there are no rules. I have one for three girls.
 

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They've never had more than 1 litterbox , and they've always preferred to go outside. In the past the litter box wasn't used for months and months, and they never did anything inside the house (we lived in a different house back then). The litter box was just cleaned the night they did it, so this wasn't the problem. It hadn't been used at all the night that this happened... so it wasn't a case of it being dirty or "full".

Laminate flooring can't handle any liquid on it unless it's inmediately cleaned..(or if the liquid can't go inside any grooves). But I can't control this as they can pee when I'm out working or during the night. In fact it's been damaged in some places already because of this...

I just bought a feliway in case they are stressed for some reason, but not sure what else to do. If the litter box had been dirty I would think it was that (although it hasn't been a problem for 12 years...), but it wasn't....
 

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I would have them see the vet. After that, it's kind of a mystery. You could try changing the litter and moving the boxes. Some cats won't use a box that doesn't give them more than one exit point. A cat I used to foster was this way. He's poop in the shower, so we shut the bathroom door. Well then he decided to poop in front of the bathroom door. Once we moved the box everything was fine. I guess they feel vulnerable when trying to potty.

Some cats won't use a litter box that another cat has used as well. I've pretty much always had 1-2 boxes, max though. I would do vet, box moving, litter change, purchase another box - in that order. It's totally up to you though. Best of luck!!
 

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hoofmaiden is right - at their age, they should both be getting routine labwork done. Even for a younger cat, the first step to litter-troubles is a vet visit. Is there a way you can figure out which cat is the culprit?
 

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Thank goodness the one laminate floor I have (the rest are old wood or quarry tiles) isn't that sensitie - not because of the cats but because I am a total clutz!

Are you sure the problem was with a fox? We have loads of them around here (a while back my sister was driving in the early morning and saw one being chased off by a cat!!). That's not saying they couldn't take and eat a young kitten - I wish I could deny it - but around here, most of the adults seem more than capable of at least staying out of their way and glowering at them. One of my old cats absolutely terrorised them.

If the real problem lies elsewhere then it might have an impact on how you approach it.
 

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Yes, but if you're having a problem, you need 1 for each cat IMO. There is clearly a problem here!
But as usual, you made sweeping generalization, mentioning nothing about there having to be a problem.
 

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Thanks to all. Both cats have had recent visits to the vet.. one of them (the male) has chronical constipation and he's on Miralax, a laxative we buy in the US as it's not prescribed in the UK and the vet didn't give us any solution to his problem. He basically told me the cat was going to die as there's no cure for chronical constipation except a very difficult operation... this was about 6 months ago and now my cat is healthy and happy, in fact I get the feeling the one causing the problems is the female.., but she went to the vet some months ago as we suspected urine infection and everything was fine too...

There's no way I can be 100% sure which cat is causing the problem, which makes it even more difficult..
 

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If you separate one for a day and night in another room, you should be able to determine who is doing it. If you suspect the female, lock the male up first.
As far as getting them to be attracted to the litter box, you might try and sprinkle a little catnip in it, 1/8 tsp. or less, and see if that makes a difference. Good luck!
 

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I just went thru this with a friend of mine. Her two senior semi feral indoor only cats were peeing and pooing outside their box. For years she had to keep her house closed off so they wouldnt go everywhere around the house.

This is how we solved it. First off from my experience number of boxes is up to you. Make no difference. Just make sure you scoop the box or boxes everyday. Ive had up to 16 cats using 4 litter boxes without a problem.

I had my friend clean all areas with Natures Miracle to get the scent out so they wont use those spots again.

Next we bleached all her box and replace litter with Cat Attract Litter by Dr Elsay. We put in Feliway plug ins thru the house to calm them down. (found on Amazon for the cheapest price, buy atleast 3). I had her play with her cats once a day to give them a connection of well being in the house.

Plus I advised her to not be stressed around them. Give soothing energy and calmness when with them. Even if she spots an accident while transitioning them to use the boxes.

I have a feeling, since this was said it isn't medical URI or such by your vet, then your cats are stressed by the fox being in their territory.

If you really want to throw the kitchen sink at this problem I would have you get Spirit Essence to apply to the cats skin on the back of the neck also.

FYI I have an adopter whose cat is constipated. She is given Miralax to help. The vet has never said the cat is going to die. Can it get serious if its too backed up? Yes but you would notice if that was happening and bring it to the vet to get it treated. Which is what initially happened with this cat. Its been doing well for over a year now.Being on a canned food or raw diet helps. My friend gives both dry and wet and the cat is doing fine now.
 

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I just went thru this with a friend of mine. Her two senior semi feral indoor only cats were peeing and pooing outside their box. For years she had to keep her house closed off so they wouldnt go everywhere around the house.

This is how we solved it. First off from my experience number of boxes is up to you. Make no difference. Just make sure you scoop the box or boxes everyday. Ive had up to 16 cats using 4 litter boxes without a problem.

I had my friend clean all areas with Natures Miracle to get the scent out so they wont use those spots again.

Next we bleached all her box and replace litter with Cat Attract Litter by Dr Elsay. We put in Feliway plug ins thru the house to calm them down. (found on Amazon for the cheapest price, buy atleast 3). I had her play with her cats once a day to give them a connection of well being in the house.

Plus I advised her to not be stressed around them. Give soothing energy and calmness when with them. Even if she spots an accident while transitioning them to use the boxes.

I have a feeling, since this was said it isn't medical URI or such by your vet, then your cats are stressed by the fox being in their territory.

If you really want to throw the kitchen sink at this problem I would have you get Spirit Essence to apply to the cats skin on the back of the neck also.

FYI I have an adopter whose cat is constipated. She is given Miralax to help. The vet has never said the cat is going to die. Can it get serious if its too backed up? Yes but you would notice if that was happening and bring it to the vet to get it treated. Which is what initially happened with this cat. Its been doing well for over a year now.Being on a canned food or raw diet helps. My friend gives both dry and wet and the cat is doing fine now.
Many thanks for your reply, I put a feliway last week (the cats had to be alone for 4 days) and no "accidents" since then.. fingers crossed. If it's stress this might be helping, so i might keep it on.

Before Miralax my cat couldn't poo himself, he went to the vet every few days to be "cleaned", and the vet didn't give us any solution. If it wasn't for miralax, we couldn't have continued like that, it wasn't life for us or the cat... we would have consulted a specialist , but luckily we tried miralax first and it worked really well. They also eat wet food now every day (instead of only dry).
 

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Hi all,

Just an update to say we finally took the cat to the vet and she has an enlarged lymph node, which is been causing all this problems. (she's also lost weight despite eating ok). She's going back for blood/urine tests on Wednesday, the vet said it's serious but treatable.

Thanks to all for your help.
 

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Sounds vague! Does he say what he thinks may be causing an enlarged lymph node and where is the enlarged lymph node? If a vet says serious but treatable? What is he thinks he is treating or looking for?
 

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She's having the tests done tomorrow, the vet didn't want to alarm me and I understand it.. it can be many things, some of them not so good.. but I don't want to make assumptions. She's having blood and urine tests and hopefully we'll have the results on Thursday.

Sadly we are going away on holiday on Friday, worst possible timing :(
 

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Hi all,

We got the results and it's not cancer. She's been diagnosed with hyperthiroidism and given some pills which hopefully will correct the problem.
Apart from this they've detected a mass on her bladder, not sure what it is yet but the vets seems more concerned with the thyroid problems.

Sadly now she's incontinent, which is causing us a lot of trouble.... :(

Apart from this she seems perfectly happy, eating a lot and quite relaxed, although she cleans herself a lot, I guess because of the incontineny issue...

Any tips with this? I have my sofas covered with towels that i need to wash everyday, and a constant smell of pee in the house...
 
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