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I have taken in a foster cat and her 3-4 week old kittens. The kittens are now roughly 8-9 weeks, but smaller than they should be (no one is 2 pounds yet), so I have not taken them off her yet. I am worried because she seems to be gaining weight around her middle but nowhere else. I have wormed her, so it shouldn't be from that.

I am trying to figure out how to tell if she is pregnant. She would have to be at least 5 weeks along, as that's how long I've had her (and there is no way she could have been impregnated here). Most of the signs I find refer to nipples pinking up and swelling, but since she's already nursing, those are useless for me. What other signs are there, or what other things could I watch for?

I can take her to a vet if need be, but I am trying to keep costs to a minimum. If she is not pregnant I plan to get her spayed right away, along with the kittens. If she is pregnant, she is too far along for me to feel comfortable spaying.

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She looks pregnant to me. Is she ravenous for eating? She should be if she's pregnant. You should be able to feel some movement. Cats can get pregnant right after having a litter....sure she didn't sneak out somewhere? The kitties should be weaned as soon as possible and only let them nurse once a day for a very shot time. It's very hard on her to be nursing and pregnant at the same time.
 

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I am 100% sure she didn't get pregnant here (all my boys are neutered and she hasn't left the house, not even an accidental escape). However, the kittens were 3-4 weeks old when she came here, so it's entirely possible she was already pregnant when I got her. I took her to the shelter yesterday (the vet tech who works there did me a favor) and she said she couldn't say for sure if she was pregnant when she felt her belly.


She is eating constantly, but so do most of the nursing queens I've fostered, and since she already had the kittens when I got her, I can't say for sure that she's eating more, less, or the same as usual (though judging by how skinny she is I'd say she's getting fed considerably better here than she was at her old home).


My plan was to pull the kittens off her this weekend, but I can do it earlier. I'm trying to balance the needs of the kittens (who are small and need all the nutrients they can get) with the needs of the mother (who is skinny and in need of proper care herself) and with the needs of her potentially unborn kittens (mama didn't start to "show" until about 5-6 days ago, so I haven't been treating her like she was pregnant. I assumed she wasn't, given her poor body condition when I got her and the fact that she's already feeding 6 kittens).

It sounds like the general consensus is that she's pregnant. :( Poor mama kitty. In that case, the needs of mom and unborn babies outweigh the needs of the older kittens, so I'll pull her off them tonight and get her packed with as much kitten food as she'll eat. If she's not pregnant, no harm done, she'll just be a little healthier than she is now.


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Poor little girl indeed :( She doesn't look very big and I'd bet she's not very old... I'm glad she's in your hands now instead of her former owner's and I'll bet she is too!!
 

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She's at least 3-4 years old, per her former owners. And the kittens she has now are apparently her fourth litter. It seems she is pregnant with her fifth. As I understand it, the other foster mama I have, Lucy, is one of her daughters from a previous litter. Poor mama Tootsie has had a rough life so far. She's strong though, and a survivor. We'll get her through this and on to better things.
 

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Since the vet tech couldn't feel the kittens which is what I would regard as the most "main-line" way of telling, you'll have to wait and see (they thought my Lottie was pregnant when she was first taken to the shelter but she wasn't) and keep an eye out for the other signs like changes to the nipples (except that would be harder to spot if she is still feeding). Her behaviour should start giving clues as well - in particular the urge to nest.
 

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She does like to go poking around the house quite a bit, but as she's never been an inside kitty before, I can't tell if she's looking for a spot to give birth or just really curious about what the inside of a house looks like.

She's separated from the current batch of kittens as of last night, so she'll have some time off to build up her strength a little, whether she's pregnant or not. We'll know in the next 2-3 weeks whether or not she's pregnant...she would have to be at least 5 weeks along now (but could be as much as 8 weeks, based on the age of her current kittens) so if nothing happens in the next 2-3 weeks, we'll know she's not pregnant and she can be spayed along with her kittens. If she is pregnant, she should give birth or be within a few days of giving birth at the end of 2-3 weeks and we'll find out that way.


Poor Tootsie. I'm exhausted and I'm not even the one (possibly) having the babies.
 

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After 3 weeks kittens are easily felt, but your vet may not be too familiar with pregnant cats. Nursing is going to distort the usual nipple signs. Hopefully she isn't pregnant, the poor girl.
 

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When I feel her, I can feel what seem to be little heads, but I figured if the vet tech couldn't feel anything, then I must be the one who is wrong. I'll get another picture of her today. If she is pregnant, she'd be approaching at least 6 weeks along.
 

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If you think you feel heads, I'd bet you feel heads... maybe the babies were just not in a good position when the tech felt her.
 

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Photo from tonight:




She's been separated from the babies for the last several days. I let her and them out tonight for some play time in the house, though they were not nursing. Her poor nipples feel as though they might explode, they are so swollen.
 

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That's how Midnight looked when we took her in on May 27, 2005. Two weeks later, on June 9, she gave birth to 4 kittens. Two were stillborn :'( and two survived :). And I agree with minikin44, if you think you feel heads, then more than likely, you're feeling heads. With Midnight, I had no clue that she was pregnant, but my daughter thought that Midnight was. She asked me feel Midnight's sides to see if I felt anything odd. I felt her sides and said that what she was feeling was probably one of Midnight's "ribs". Um...yeah, those weren't ribs. They were kittens. :oops:
 

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I am very worried about her kittens. Given her poor condition when I got her and the fact that she was already nursing six kittens (there were 7. One had died, which is part of what prompted me to hurry up and get her out of her previous situation) it didn't occur to me at all that she might be pregnant. She was wormed with strongid and treated with frontline before she ever started to show and now I'm hoping I haven't hurt the unborn kittens with any medicines. She has to be closing in on 6 weeks along now, at least (could be further, but can't be less) so I guess I'll know soon enough. I'm crossing my fingers for healthy babies who won't cause her too much trouble.
 

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Those are the previous kittens?

Personally, I'd take her back to the vet. We took one of ours to the vet tonight with a lump - both my sister and I commented on the fact we would have thought she was pregnant except that we knew it was impossible. The vet agreed with us.
 

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Those are the previous kittens, yes. They're about 9 weeks now. 5 of the 6 are over 2 pounds, finally. The runt is still about 1.75 lbs, but gaining well.

I was planning on giving her one more week off the kittens to relax, gain weight and see if anything declares itself in terms of the possible pregnancy. She seems to be getting bigger, so pregnancy seems ever more likely. If there's no "movement" on the baby front within a week, I'll take her to my vet to see what they think (the lady I took her to before is a vet tech at our local shelter, so not a proper vet appointment, but the price was right and the source was credible).
 

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I can feel movement now, when I put my hands on her sides. Movements too big to be caused by gas bubbles and such. She's still getting bigger and her stomach feels much more "solid" than before. I've had her 6.5 weeks now, so she has to be at least that far along, though I'll bet further--I think she's pretty close to term. She's been off her older kittens for over a week and while her nipples are no longer stretched to exploding point, there is still milk present. I'm officially on kitten watch.

I'm going to be sending the older 6 kittens to be spayed/neutered at the end of this week, provided Itsy (the runt) hits the 2 lb mark before then. They should be ready to go up for adoption in about 2 weeks.
 

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I would give"Itsy" a little more time, closer to 3 lbs. if possible before neuter/spay. Hope you're able to find some good homes for her kittens. When she has her new litter, she'll likely want to nurse the older ones too, if they're near her, so I suggest you keep them separate from her. Hope all goes well.
 
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