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Hi!

I'm sure you've heard this all before (indeed, I've read threads here about it!) But I'm going to post anyways because the alternative is that I get rid of the cat so any *sane* ideas are appreciated!

I have two male cats, one 3 years (Mingo) and one 6 years (Casino). They've lived together for 3 years (since Mingo was a kitten). We've lived in the same house for the last two, maybe three, years. Nothing has changed in terms of roommates/pets/furniture being moved around.

Mingo is peeing everywhere. Like first it was on the couch, so I covered it in tape to keep him off (and now no one can sit there! Not that you'd want to after the cat peed on it though). Now he's peeing in the hallway (carpet), and this morning he peed upstairs on the hardwood floor.

I have four litter boxes (because I'm trying to fix this!) with various types of litter. Let me say that the 'original' litter we've been using for six years and he's never had a problem with it, so I don't know that it's a litter box problem.

They've BOTH been to the vet. Mingo has had crystals in the past (like two years ago) - but his urine analysis came back perfect. The vet thinks its behavior (yay...not).

I notice that they are fighting more, so potentially Casino is preventing Mingo from using the litter box. HOWEVER, the last two weeks were fine up until today (I added more litter boxes two weeks ago). Today is the day he peed upstairs. And Casino was upstairs with him, but not near him. He wasn't preventing him from going downstairs to the litter box from what I could see.

They eat, lay, play together (when not fighting). I have scratching posts. I have four litter boxes. I have two Feliway Diffusers (just got two weeks ago - the fighting has lessened with them). They can't see any other animals outside because the blinds are closed (and I havnt noticed any weird animals either).

And there's only certain things I'm willing to do - like I'm not going to put a litter box in my kitchen just because he peed there... I'm not going to get even more litter boxes because I just don't have room and my roommate is going to kick me out as it is! If he's stressed because I'm home less Im not going to quit my job just for a cat!

But I can't stand constantly cleaning up cat pee! It smells! I can't have people over. It's causing tension between me and my roommate.

I'm literally going crazy and ready to just throw in the towel, because I honestly don't know what else to do or to try (without going overboard). The vet suggested the next step might be drugs, but I've honestly spend thousands of dollars on this single cat (when Casino has never had any real isuses!) and can't imagine spending money for drugs every day.

It kills me because everything was fine, so something clearly set him off. BUt I have no idea what, or how to fix it, or if it can be fixed.
 

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I'd head to a different vet and test over again for something medical.

He's not doing this to be an ass or to cause you trouble. SOMETHING is bothering him, either internally or externally.

You have lots of boxes, how often are you cleaning them all?

What are you feeding them?

How are you cleaning up the pee spots?
 

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1. Are all the cats fixed??
2. Are there strays and ferals that are coming around outside?
3. Have you used a black light to find all the affected areas?
4. Are the "lots of boxes" scattered throughout the house or clustered in one small area and are they scooped 2x a day minimum??
5. Are you using scoopable litter??
6. Are the boxes covered??

If there is a smell of urine in the house then the house is a giant litter box. The spots must be treated with an enzyme cleaner to remove the urine smell completely. The couch cushions should be replaced or the couch tossed.

I agree with MowMow, there is something troubling this guy. Cats don't pee outside the boxes just to be jerks or try and **** you off - no pun intended. I agree with getting a second opinion. Talk to the vet about a possible mild anxiety medication to help take the edge off, or you could try some Fel-i-way diffusers. This site will give you a primer on meds that may help.

Anti-anxiety Medication for Cats

Bottom line, try to figure out what the problem is, medical or emotional, and treat it.
 

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I've been where you are and it is not a good place! I second everything MowMow and Marcia have said. I did use Clomicalm for a time to help 'take the edge off' my four, whilst I put my detective hat on to figure out what the issues were and to initiate behavioural modifications to sort the problem out. It is commonly used in cases of inappropriate urination but MUST be combined/used to assist, with behaviour modification.
Mine were peeing on a bed (as well as other undesirable behaviours) and it took me 4 months of treatments/cleaning (room closed off the whole time) all the while working with the cats to address the issues which caused the unwanted behaviours before I could risk letting them in again. It is VITAL to remove ALL traces of urine - if you don't you may as well just run repeatedly at a brick wall with your head!
Unfortunately, cats are emotional sponges and the more stressed you become (impossible NOT to be stressed about it I KNOW!) the more stressed the cat becomes which sets off a horrible cycle that becomes part of the problem.
This cat isn't doing this to spite you - something is very wrong and you need to figure out what it is ... not an easy task but until you do, the problem isn't going to improve.
 

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Are they neutered? from the pictures it looks like they are very young. They might be.starting to enter sexual maturity and marking territory, that would explain the fighting.
 

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I feel possibly a bit hysterical. Yesterday was not one of my better days, that's for sure!

The boxes are cleaned at least once a day - though one is never used (I'm guessing no one likes the type of litter).

I use Nature's Miracle to clean, and I've brought in a carpet cleaner a couple of times (carpet still seems stained though). It's not that he never ever uses the litter box (if I carry him to it and put him in he has a nice, big pee. Doesn't have any issues and isn't straining).

However - when I stop to think about it (after a good nights sleep and no incidents!) I think it might be Casino who's instigating. Mingo seems scared of him, and Casino might very well be 'preventing' him from going to the litter box.

How do I stop that?!! The house isn't a wide open space, there's hallways and stair wells, Casino can technically prevent Mingo from reaching any litter box no matter where it is placed (if he really wants to put the effort in). But I wonder why he's doing that?? Why does he care if Mingo pees in a box or pees in the hallway?? Either way Mingo is still leaving scent places, and it's probably even stronger when it's in the hallway vs a litter box.
 

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It's not that he cares about the smell and where it is located, but guarding 'resources' is his way of asserting his dominance. Resources can be a litter box, food, certain locations (bed, couch) or even people. You might need to leave Mingo in a safe room when you are not at home to allow him some private box time, and then see if his inappropriate elimination behavior continues or if he is peeing in the box. Then you will know for sure whether or not Casino is instigating it.
 

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I'd also suggest adding play times for both of them. A lot fo times cats hunt each other for 'fun' if they're bored. if they've got no energy because they're being played-out then Casino will have less energy to be a jerk with ;)

This is a MAJOR tactic in my house. I bought an automatic laser pointer for when my SO is home and doesn't feel like playing with cats...but the cats are being naughty. It works wonders! Daddy gets to play his games (or watch hockey, or w/e), and the cats get to play THEIR game and not terrorize each other or act like little whiny princesses. It's much better than when I used to come home to an upset SO, frustrated worked up cats, and NO quiet time, lol.

It helps a lot with my anxious kitty too, aside from the fact that the boys are all run out and less inclined to chase her for the heck of it. They boys play until they're tired, then she has a chance to play while the boys are near by. Its helping her confidence build quite a bit.
 

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Ugh. So I thought things were going okay. But I too Mingo down to the litter box today after work, and he didn't go. Half an hour later he peed upstairs on the hardwood floor.

I know deep down something is wrong somewhere, but I'm going to snap! I took him to the freaking litter box, and literally less than half an hour later he decides he needs to pee?! I don't know what the junk is wrong with him. I'm going to flip out.
 

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He isn't a dog, he's never been taught to go on cue. Taking him to the litter box is a pot shot at best.

Take a deep breath.

Now confine him. The only way to break the habit is to prevent the behavior while reinforcing the positive one. That means you need to put Mingo into a small (preferably hard floored) room - like a bathroom - and plan to keep him there for a month. Give him everything he needs; litter box, scratch post, food and water, and toys. I'd skip the bed or just use a folded towel for now.

He needs to stay in there all the time for a month, longer if he has accidents in there. It isn't mean to do this because reacting negatively towards him is a lot worse...as are the other alternatives. Retraining him isn't fun in the short term, but in the end he gets to stay with his family.
 

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Well, confining him to a spare room isn't working. He's now scratched the carpet.
I don't have a spare bathroom lying around. And I seriously doubt the roomie will stand sharing a bathroom with the cat, not to mention the neighbors being understanding with incessant meowing. I guess I'm getting a kennel, yay more money spent after the hundreds spent at the vet. Blah, I'm so bitter.
 

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But did he pee outside the litter box, or did he use it? I thought that was the whole point of confining him, to see if he goes outside the box or not to start to narrow down the problem. He is not doing this to frustrate you - there is obviously a problem, since he used the litter box before with no issues. You are the human that he depends on and loves, so it's your job to figure it out. Not a lot of fun, but it's not always a smooth road when you are dealing with animals.
 

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A kennel will work but you'll need to use a really big one...and they're expensive. Try checking craigslist or whatever is similar in your area before you try to purchase one from a store.

...alternately you could explain what you're trying to do to your roommate and see if they'd be willing to help by putting up with some annoyance so they don't have to put up with cat pee.

One last thing; your cat can literally smell your emotions and if you're this upset that will be adding to his stress. I know how hard this is, I've been there, and it always helped me to remember that he wasn't doing it on purpose or to hurt or anger me. He was doing it because he didn't know what to do or wss trying to tell me something, usually its because something is wrong or hugely stressing them out. He can't walk up and tell you what that is, this is what his instincts are telling him to do.
 

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has he been checked for a bladder stone? a small stone can prevent them from urinating.. full bladder they move around and the stone shifts so they "go" were-ever they are.. they also don't feel well because of this and will let other cats take over..
 

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I very rarely think rehoming is a good choice, but I just read through this thread and I personally think you might want to look around for a good home for him. You sound incredibly stressed and frustrated and to be honest this is not helping him. I get how you feel, I really do, but the situation is not helping. It also sounds like your living situation is not great, a roomie that's not understanding, no spare rooms, and a second cat who may cause more stress etc. I think all of this is contributing. He may be happier a single cat, if you indeed ruled out any medical problems.

Having said that, please don't just dump him at the shelter, he'll be even more stressed there. Try to look for a knowledgeable cat owner in your area.


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