I'm sure there will be hurt feelings. It's a shame these people didn't ask to be put on a waiting list, because then those who were not chosen would think others were on the list longer.
I'm impressed with Padunk, although he hasn't been a member for a long time. He is quite intelligent and he's pleasant.
As for the UK-good idea, but I don't know if Zelensia, though experienced, could control herself. She has been nice lately, but I would worry about her a bit. I believe you warned her and Angel at the same time.
Madmissie is newer, but much more friendly. She's from the UK also, and would do well in the Lounge or Cat Chat.
I think Empath would be a good choice overall.
Annissa is very nice also, and would do well in the Lounge or Cat Chat.
I don't know Chocolate or Cattybird well enough to have an opinion.
I wish someone with some knowledge of health and nutrition (like Jessica,)would have volunteered. We need someone to keep an eye on Angel. Would Gracie's mom be interested? or Queen of the Nile? Gracie's mom knows quite a bit about strays and ferals and caring for kittens. Queen of the Nile is quite knowledgable. I think she has experience with breeding.
They are both quite knowledgable. Of course Angel often feels the need to correct Dr. Jean, and she has often been known to post complete nonsense, and would not hesitate to argue with anyone.
Although Angel has been doing well recently, (she's even spelling pretty well, and I think that means she's calmer and takes time to think) she can get completely out of control. I assume she is on her medication. I'm not being unsympathetic about her condition. I just know what can happen through past experience. (not with me, by the way.) For the sake of her little girl, I hope she continues to get help. She's so young and lovely. It's sad. I understand what she's going through. My oldest sister had bi-polar disease, and at times went through ****.
I have some suggestions from past experience. If you don't think ithey would be helpful, please ignore. They're not my rules, but the rules in a very successful forum:
Mods could moderate all forums if necessary, but certain mods would get notifications of all posts in their specific forums. If those mods were not online, and it was just a post needing to be moved to another forum, someone else could do it. Or if it was a severe infraction of the rules, anyone could put the thread under review or suggest edits in the mod's forum. If noone answered within an hour, that person would have to use his best judgment. (pornography or foul language could be edited or put under review immediately, and then reported, so that the members wouldn't have to see it.)
I would also suggest that all mods would get notification of a post in the mod's forum. That way we could trade opinions. I discovered that some mods resented any other mod editing a flaming post, but didn't show up for days -or even weeks at a time. Most mods would ask for help with their forums if they were ill or going to be away-even for a day or two. As Bean mentioned, the posts can get so numerous that it's almost impossible to catch up after a day or two! So, I would ask new people (and experienced mods) to announce vacations or other absences ahead or time, if possible.) I think every mod should check their notifications for this forum first every day. You might have something important to tell us, or a new mod might need guidance.
It's good to have at least two or three mods for a busy forum, and at least two for one that doesn't get as many posts. So, a Cat Chat mod could also moderate Arts and Literature. And another mod from Health and Nutrition could also have that responsibility. I used to post a lot in breeding, because I know a lot about pregnancy and delivery, the care of kittens, etc. because that mod only posted about once a month. Here, that's not a busy forum. My forums were (the equivalent of) Literature, Cats in Need, and the Rainbow Bridge. Those forums were not as busy, so, even with three (and another mod) I had time to do some posting for fun. I think that's important.
Bean is so right. I find myself at the computer for as many as 8 hours a day, especially if I'm researching some posts regarding health and nutrition. I don't want to post anything important without a good source, unless it's common knowledge or within my experience. By the time I get done, it's time to start all over again.
However, if there were two mods each forum, and, perhaps three in the busiest forums, each would have time to do some posting-just for fun, without feeling guilty. I really enjoy writing a chapter to the mystery story, although it easily takes an hour (if done well and edited properly.) But it's an hour I completely enjoy.
It would be great to have someone overseas on the busy forums. We have members in Autralia also, and they are 14 hours ahead of us. Of course Sol is overseas. I don't see a lot of posts from her, so perhaps she hasn't been well.
Just one other suggestion. There always seems to be a mod who feels the need to write cruel PMs to mods and members. That could really hurt a site. So, I think we should treat one another with kindness and respect. I saw more flaming in a particular mod's lounge than I ever saw online. We can disagree without being disagreeable. So, I think it's wise to have a list of rules, just as you do for members. I believe also that nothing said in the mod's lounge should be repeated.
I hope this is helpful. I also hope other mods will give their opinions.
YES Empath - Mod experience is good, as are teachers (professionals) AND the older (salmer) population. Although I can't remember what her posts are like.
? AngelZoo - I know people have had problems with her. She seems to know her stuff, but she's also highly opinionated, which isn't the best quality for a mod. Being smart is good, but we had a trouble making mod on another site who was difficult to get rid of. He was opinioned, and got his friends to swing in his favour... I would hate to say no, but I don't know what else to do. What would you say to her?
YES Annissa - Experience with an older cat makes her a bit more experience with health problems due to age. She also seems intelligent and friendly.
YES Padunk - Padunk seems nice - intelligent and not a problem causer (not typical in males on the net).
YES Zalensia - UK mod hours are always good. She also seems fairly levelhead and friendly.
? Madmissie - Seems ok and can surf hours we can't, but she also seems (for lack of a better word) childish in a way... Not in a bad way, but I don't know how hard a job she'd do. I suppose this forum causes little problems anyway.
?Adora - I can't remember what her posts are like. Web knowledge is good though - could help with site upkeep. Don't know how much Russian translating we need though.
? maryam82 - I can't remember what her posts are like...[/
YESCATTYBIRD - shelter work is always a bonus, although I think she hasn't been around long? Can't judge her personality.
?Chocolate - Don't think she's been around long? I can't remember what her posts are like...
PS - I'll update this when I realize what avatars go with what users.
Beam reminded me! I don't know Adora or maryam well at all.
I think the "hee hee" always makes posters seem silly, but it seems to be really common for those in the UK. That's probably why Madmissie seems a bit silly to Bean. My friend in England who just had the baby writes that all the time. I learned to ignore it. She's very wise for her age. My parents were both from the UK, but were much older and didn't use the computer, so I wasn't used to hearing "hee hee."
I guarantee that if Angel becomes a mod there will be trouble. She has been banned from two sites in the last year. I would not want to work with her. Much of what she posts is nonsense, but she tries to appear to be an intellectual by using what she considers elegant language, which is actually incorrect. I can't believe she has fooled as many people as she has.
I'm worried about Zelensia, but perhaps she has changed. There was only one incident, but she was extremely rude. She has been nice lately. I don't know Annissa or Chocolate well, but I certainly agree with the others.
I'm glad Lori applied.
THere was the same sort of trouble as Bean mentioned at the other site I belonged to, pms flying around to ask for support, and if that person didn't get your support, you were on the black list. Then a clique started. That's bad news. It was miserable. I hope none of these people is like that. It will be so nice to have help. As long as you have the last word, Dan, we should be all right.
how many mods do you think we will need? it seems none of the members that applied have a very specialized knowledge. so the ones that asked for a particular forum such as the lounge could get that responsibility and we can make the other mods for the whole forum.
also Jeannie I think we should not have the problem you are speaking of here. i will be fair. i will not allow a group of mods to influence me against another mod.
Most of the time friends posted each other and asked them to urge a certain policy in the mods' lounge. That way it appeared to the webmaster that the majority felt strongly about an issue, when it may have been only one person. Then the minority opinion was overlooked, even if it made more sense. That's what happened on Bean's forum too, I gather. Of course, some mods also sent nasty pms to others, also.
I would have at least two mods for every forum, and three for the busiest, Cat Chat and The Lounge. If they can't answer a question, they can acknowledge the post or research the subject. If one mod is not here, one of the other two might be.
Other than the Lounge, if the rest of the mods were to be responsible for every forum, they wouldl be duplicating duties or missing posts, because it's just too much to keep track of. However, if a mod was assigned to Breeding and Cat Chat, for example, and saw an objectionable post in Cats in Need, (not their primary responsibility) he should have the ability to handle it. That forum isn't as busy, but is just as likely to get an objectionable post. That way, the mods on line could make a decision on it. Sometimes a mod might be away for the evening. Someone else should be able to handle it. All the mods at THE OTHER FORUM had that ability, but tried not to step on toes by jumping in--unless it was porn or a thread going up in flames, big time. It didn't happen often.
Have you talked to Gracie's mom or Queen of the Nile? Or could Sol spend more time here? She knows a lot about nutrition, in case Dr. Jean isn't here. Feral cats are Gracie's specialty, and Queen of the Nile seems to be knowledgable. We three (you, Bean and I) have been handling everything, and I think we have done well, but the forum has outgrown the hours we're awake. However, we could probably handle forums no one else wants or can handle.
I would suggest 3 mods each for the Lounge and Cat Chat, and two mods for every other forum. Two mods on Cats in Need could also help in the Health, Literature, or any of the forum that might have only one or two posts a day. Cats in Need mods should have a list of references which they can provide. Well, all mods should have resources, I believe!
I actually PMed Queen of Nile and said she might want to PM catman. I thought she would be good as well.
As for Angel, I thought she might be a problem causer. She seems to mean well, but is also kinda opinionated and headstrong, and that can offen lead to bad things... There was a mod on another site like that who used his friends to sway issues (can if you were to go against said mod his friends would say he was being prosecuted). Not that that would happen, but that type of thing can happen with a person that thinks that way. I think one of the best qualities of a mod is to be impartial to most arguements. Not to take sides but to smooth things over, or lock things if it gets too heated.
I'm not sure how many more we need, but there are only 3 now. Would you say 3 or 4 more?
I think it might be good to start redirecting some posts - we're starting to get an increasing amount of duplicate questions already answered. On another forum, we made a new "archive" area were good discussions and common questions were moved. Whenever a common issue came up again, it would be locked and a post in the thread by a mod saying to look in the archive...
She can be nice, but she's blunt and sometimes coarse, in my opinion. I have reviewed her posts and haven't seen any evidence of a lot of knowledge, but I have seen more mild swearing than we usually see. So far, she just agrees or disagrees with what's been said about cat care. She doesn't volunteer any information.