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I hope it's OK to post this here. Although I've had my precious cat for 2 years I'm new to this board and I'd hate to offend by breaking rules so if this is not allowed, mods please delete and let me know.

I just wanted to bring to people's attention a problem with Petco's handling of mice. I bought 4 fancy mice as pets a while back. I got all 4 from the female cage - I was there as he took all 4 out for me - but as it turns out what I actually got was 2 males and 2 females. The end result obviously was a bunch of breeding mice. I thought I could deal with the situation by separating them myself after the first litter weaned but I just missed the window and so I ended up with yet another litter. At this point I had over 20 mice and even with 2 cages they were overcrowded and it was becoming a problem for their well being. I went back to Petco to surrended them all but unfortunately Petco does not take them back. The good thing was there was one employee who had a heart and brought out an aquarium where I placed them all but then the manager found out and came storming at me (while I was shopping for bird food and cat food) and yelling that I take them back and litterally chased me out the store showing me her keys, threatening to lock me in.

I'm not sure where to go with this but in my heart I think what they are doing is wrong. They are pretending to separate mice by sex but in reality they are not. Then when you're stuck with too many mice that are breeding they turn their backs as if it isn't their problem anymore. This is needless cruelty to these poor animals. I know they're just mice and a cat would have them for dessert but I don't think people should be doing this. I've since no longer gone to Petco for any of my pet food and supplies and I wrote a letter to management but I've not heard any response in weeks. I don't know whether or not it's worth the effort for me to do anymore at this point but I thought at least I could share this info with other animal lovers. Hopefully I won't get laughed off this board (defending the rights of mice to cat lovers).
 

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its illegal to feed live mice to any other animal. the way they are doing that would suggest that when the person buys the mice, has babies, gets over crowded then cannabilism must soon follow.

tell you what, why not go to your local newspaper and telll them what happened?

tell them of your plight of having all these mice and the shop lied to you about there sex.... and that they did nothing to rectify the situation and as such you are now shouldered with more mice that you cant handle and have not the heart to kill them.... do it, it'll ruin there credibility!!
 

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That's an excellent idea, I'd go to the paper. How funny it would be for them to see their actions in print.

I don't think the situation is laughable at all...yes, I love cats, who by nature hunt mice...but I still think rodents deserve the same respect a dog or cat would get.
 

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thats awful. i dont thing your rediculous, i'm a cat lover and i have pet rats.

unfortunately, it is not illegal to feed mice live to snakes. i wish it were, but it's not.

petco is awful the way they can't even tell the genders of the animals they sell.

in the future, you could have the males fixed, maybe. also, male mice cannot live in the same cage, they often fight to the death.

just a random fact, i know petco has 2 kinds of mice: fancy, and feeder, or "common". in reality, all those mice are from the same breeders, often from the same litter. there is no difference between them whatsoever, except their color. but petco labels them like that so most people are under the impression that the feeders are geneticaly different. its awful.
 

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Paw Prints said:
just a random fact, i know petco has 2 kinds of mice: fancy, and feeder, or "common". in reality, all those mice are from the same breeders, often from the same litter. there is no difference between them whatsoever, except their color. but petco labels them like that so most people are under the impression that the feeders are geneticaly different. its awful.
That's really sick. There are no Petco's in my area so I've never been there -- but if there are any in North Carolina I WILL NOT be shopping there.
 

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Petco's mishandling of live animals in their stores is nothing new, and apparently nothing has changed for the better.
 

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Wow...I'm surprised at their treatment of you, that was terrible. I'm not surprised you don't want to shop there anymore.

I work for a competing chain, and we would not treat you that way in our store. Although we are supposed to get small animals of only one sex at our store, sometimes the supplier makes mistakes and we've had a few litters of small furries born there. Our policy is to give away the babies with the mother, or if no one takes her by the time the babies are weaned, they are given away separately. They are not sold or bred on purpose or placed in our sale cages. Anyone buying a live animal from us can bring it back for ANY reason within 14 days, and sometimes longer. I think in your situation we'd still take them back after the 14 days.

Sorry you got stuck with all those mice! Maybe you could place an ad in the paper and sell them to recoup some of your lost money.
 

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Our policy is to give away the babies with the mother, or if no one takes her by the time the babies are weaned, they are given away separately.
unfortunately, sometimes the people who adopt them are actualy going "look at this, free feeders! i don't have to pay anything!" there isn't any way to screen the adopters, so it's always a chance they are not going home as pets. :( that's something to keep in mind if you decide to sell them, MyLittleZoo, it's a good idea to check how much the feeders are in your area, and charge higher than that.
 

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Our policy is to give away the babies with the mother, or if no one takes her by the time the babies are weaned, they are given away separately.
unfortunately, sometimes the people who adopt them are actualy going "look at this, free feeders! i don't have to pay anything!" there isn't any way to screen the adopters, so it's always a chance they are not going home as pets. :( that's something to keep in mind if you decide to sell them, MyLittleZoo, it's a good idea to check how much the feeders are in your area, and charge higher than that. if you still have them, you could go to -->this forum<--, sign up, and post about your situation under the "rescue and adoption" area. then people there can help you find people in your area who could take your mice :)
 

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Sorry, I guess I should have mentioned that is usually the employees that take home females and babies. It really doesn't happen that often at my store.
 

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Theres no way a local shelter can take all the babies? I know their are a ton of shelters . If you go to petfinder, go under the rescues and shelters link and put in your state it will show all the shelters you can contact to see if they can take them off your hands and find new loving homes.

I see you live in NYC, i live in NY, in the capital region (albany).

Here is a link im goign to send you that lists shelters in NY
http://www.charityadvantage.com/MohawkH ... elters.asp

..i know a local shelter, Mohawk and hudson river humain society, takes small animals including mice. But i know thats about a 3 hour drive from the city.



I think the going through a Humain Society is the best way to go if your looking to find good homes for them where their not going to be used for snake food.

Just a suggestion. I hope you are able to resolve your problem.

And i would contact a newspaper as well!!!

Good luck
 

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Just to clarify. I don't have the mice anymore. I did not allow them to bully me into taking them back. I walked out of the store with the mice still in the store's glass aquarium. Despite abusive yelling from the manager I was firm in my plan to leave the mice at Petco and so I did.

I'm glad to see the responses on this thread. I don't feel so alone anymore in this plight.

Though I do shudder at the thought of what they might have done to these poor mice. Hopefully there's a policy on what to do when the customer wins and they're left with the mice. These mice were grey so they're not allowed to sell them as feeders.

I'm actually kind of shocked to find out that the feeder mice are not even a different breed than the fancy mice. Not that I ever agreed with the idea that a pet store should sell any mice to be eaten alive by a snake (that always seemed to me pretty much like selling a monkey as food for alligators).
 

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That is why PetSmart only sells male mice, rats, hamsters. I thought Petco would have doen the same. :roll: It only takes one to be put back in the wrong cage and you can't trust most of the morons that work there to really care.

As for not taking them back - they can't due to disease. Once they are out of the control of the store, even if it was just for one night, they can not accept them back because of possible disease transmission. And I believe it is actually illegal for them to resell a pet that has been "returned" hence the no return on small animal policy. That's standard at PetSmart as well.

PetSmart also does not sell feeders. Immortal - it is not illegal to feed live mice to other animals. I don't have a problem with feeders - in nature that's what happens. I can't do it myself but snakes and lizards, etc have to eat! :)
 

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As for not taking them back - they can't due to disease.
and yet, most of the pets that come from there are really sick anyways! :roll:

I don't have a problem with feeders - in nature that's what happens. I can't do it myself but snakes and lizards, etc have to eat!
would you say the same if, say, an animal ate dogs live? the problem with feeders is, they have AWFUL lives leading up to their deaths, and it is NOT natural, as the mice have no chance of escape. sometimes, a snake will not eat a mouse, and the mouse stays in that cage with no food or water for days! is that natural? i dont think so. in the wild, mice live normal, free lives, not stuck in a 1-foot-square glass cage with little ventilation, bad food, and sick. :evil:
 

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That is why PetSmart only sells male mice, rats, hamsters.
Certain stores are designated "male" stores and others are "female" stores. Still, sometimes mix-ups occur when small furries are delivered.

And I believe it is actually illegal for them to resell a pet that has been "returned" hence the no return on small animal policy. That's standard at PetSmart as well.
It is not illegal to resell them, but returned animals are quarantined for several days before they are even considered for resale. You can return a live animal for ANY reason in the first 14 days after you buy it.

That manager at the Petco the OP went to handled the issue VERY badly. I hope they were reported to corporate, if someone is in that position in a store such as Petco they need to have more self-control and learn to be more flexible. If the same thing happened at my store, we would have seen that the mice had to have been pregnant when they were purchased, a mouse cannot mate and have babies within less than 18 days or so. So if someone returns a small furry they bought a week ago and it had babies, well...that's our fault! They get their money back and we have to find homes for them.
 

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returned animals are quarantined for several days before they are even considered for resale
some of the bad diseases, like SDA and sendai i think they're called, can take up to 3 weeks to appear. true quarantine is also very difficult, because people can carry in the germs on their clothes, or just on them anywhere, and since they are airborne, quarantined animals should be kept in entirely different buildings, because air conditioning systems carry the germs from the quarantine room all over the building and to the other animals.
 
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