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I have three cats that I have switched to an all wet diet a little over two months ago. It has been an all around great thing for them health wise. However, it has changed the consistency of their stools from normal to almost cow-patty like. Everyone is making it to the box fine, so that's a relief, but I would still like to get them back to a more normal stool. I have put two of them on forti flora which has helped some, but it's been a month and I'm still seeing the cow like pattys. I'd like to keep using the forti flora because it's suppose to be great for their digestive systems but right now it's a little two expensive for all three cats.
Does anyone have experience using a human grade, live probiotic? And if so, which ones and what's the dosage. I'd like to get their stools back on track and then go back to the forti flora later when the expense would not be an issue. ( I've had many vet visits in the past six months, have a kitten on cosequin, wet food for three cats, and up until now feliway as well..... Shew! Once I can get things back to normal such an expense won't be such an issue.). Did I mention 3 litterboxes..............?
 

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Since the Forti-Flora isn't helping, I'd suggest finding a food that doesn't cause the soft poop rather than just looking for another probiotic. Adding some canned pumpkin (plain, no pie spices) or psyllium could help.

BTW...Forti-flora is the junk food of the probiotic world. First ingredient is Animal Digest which is a product of the rendering processes which uses beyond gross ingredients (eg expired supermarket meats with the plastic and styrofoam intact). So don't feel bad about not giving it to them.
 

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Congratulations on getting your cats on a better diet!

I use ProViable DC. It does not contain anything but the active cultures. It has been very effective for my two cats who have digestive issues (from different causes, one who is prone to diarrhea and the other who is prone to regurgitation)

Pumpkin can help firm up stool, but you have to feed 1 tablespoon a day (usually split between two meals) and not all cats will eat their food with pumpkin added. I have one cat on daily pumpkin for constipation (it works both ways) and she loves it. I use Farmer's market Organic pumpkin because their cans are BPA free.
 

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Pumpkin really is about the farthest thing from a species-appropriate diet that there is. I would recommend switching to raw (preferably prey model or whole prey), which would almost surely take care of the problem, but if you can't do that, do as doodlebug suggests and switch foods. Healthy cats should not need probiotics, etc.

What food are you feeding now?
 

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It is recommended to use a probiotic when transitioning a cat from one diet to another. A cat who has eaten kibble all her life, the body may have a lot of trouble with any other food, at first, no matter what it is.

This is not a perfect world and not everyone can feed a prey model diet, and not all cats who eat prey model are in perfect health. For those of us who need help, I am glad there are palliative solutions.
 

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Of course it's up to you. :) However, many cats actually have IBD thanks to being on a commercial diet. That may well be the reason for the loose stools, etc. It was in 2 of my cats. In that case, band-aids aren't the answer.

Anyway, IMO the best thing to do is to consider a different food. If all your cats are responding the same way to a food, either they all have IBD or the food is to blame. What food are you feeding?
 

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There are many things that can cause soft stool besides IBD. It could very well be an ingredient in the canned food being fed, and the suggestion to try another food is sound but that does not mean the cats have IBD.

IBD seems to be a catch all phrase these days, whenever a cat shows some digestive problem. It could be as simple as a sensitivity to something in the food.

For instance, if the canned food contains grains, fish, or carrageenan. All or any of those things can cause soft stools. It does not mean the cats all have IBD.

OP Do your cats go out? Have they ever had fleas? I'm wondering if there is a parasite issue.
 

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Certainly true that it's not a given that the cats have IBD. But one reason there are so many digestive problems in cats is precisely b/c most are fed a diet inappropriate for the species. And the rise in intestinal lymphoma (of which IBD is a known precusor) speaks to that as well.

Again, knowing what the kitties are eating would help here. Many canned foods have tons of additives that could be causing a problem.
 

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I really don't want to go to a raw diet. I never say never but for now I would like to continue with the wet. I am feeding fancy feast canned I use two cans at each meal. Three times a day. One is grain free ( the classics ), and the other can will be any flavor other than fish that has texture too it. They refuse to eat all pate at a sitting. I've been supplementing with 2 extra cans a day to put weight on two of my cats.
Here's the thing.......I went to my local pet food store the other day with the thought that I would switch to something like wellness. Well it didn't take long after I did the math to realize that wasn't happening. It is double what I'm paying right now.
So it's either, back to dry food which I won't do for health reasons that have greatly improved since changing to wet, or try a lower grade wet food to see what results that does, ( not liking this option either ).
I take my babies to a cat specialist and she says fancy feast is a well balanced diet. She says it could take a really long time for their systems to adjust to a new diet and recreate a proper balance in their systems. I got the go ahead on the probiotic but I needed advice on what other people have used to help their situations.
The forti flora has helped but it's been slow going although I have noticed a change in the consistency of their stools, I just can't continue to afford it.
 

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Since the Forti-Flora isn't helping, I'd suggest finding a food that doesn't cause the soft poop rather than just looking for another probiotic. Adding some canned pumpkin (plain, no pie spices) or psyllium could help.

BTW...Forti-flora is the junk food of the probiotic world. First ingredient is Animal Digest which is a product of the rendering processes which uses beyond gross ingredients (eg expired supermarket meats with the plastic and styrofoam intact). So don't feel bad about not giving it to them.
I wish I could afford to use some of the more expensive ones but I go though 8 3oz. Cans a day for three cats. It's just not feasible. What do you think about slipping in maybe two to three of those cans in in place of what they are currently on? It still would be expensive but I might be able to swing that.
 

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There are many things that can cause soft stool besides IBD. It could very well be an ingredient in the canned food being fed, and the suggestion to try another food is sound but that does not mean the cats have IBD.

IBD seems to be a catch all phrase these days, whenever a cat shows some digestive problem. It could be as simple as a sensitivity to something in the food.

For instance, if the canned food contains grains, fish, or carrageenan. All or any of those things can cause soft stools. It does not mean the cats all have IBD.

OP Do your cats go out? Have they ever had fleas? I'm wondering if there is a parasite issue.
I don't allow them to eat fish based foods because I heard those can cause issues. I'm sure there is traces of fish though in the food.
All my cats are strictly indoors. No fleas.
This all started when I changed over to wet. And luckily we are making it the litterbox, so that's a relief! I'm just trying to help them regulate their systems. I worry about dehydration, although they have access to fresh water if they wanted it.
 

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Murphy had loose stools after being on an antibiotic. Have any of your kitties been on an antibiotic?

At any rate, even with a probiotic supplement it took a good 2 months for everything to return to normal. You may just need more time.
 

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A great money saving tip- Check out brands that come in larger cans. Wellness and Innova both come in 13oz cans!

In my area, they are a little over $2 per can, or 17 cents per ounce. THis is the equivalent of a $.50 3oz can. While fancy feast classic ingredients arent too bad, they do have meat-by-products as the third ingredient. THis is one of those mystery ingredients that *could* be contributing to the tummy issues. Check out wellness, Innova, or EVO.
 

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A While fancy feast classic ingredients arent too bad, they do have meat-by-products as the third ingredient. THis is one of those mystery ingredients that *could* be contributing to the tummy issues. Check out wellness, Innova, or EVO.
There is nothing inherently wrong w/ meat by-products. Those are things like organs, connective tissue, etc., all of which are perfectly good foods from a feline standpoint! Lower quality ingredients ARE an issue (from 4D animals, etc), which is, indeed, more likely in the lower quality foods.
 

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There is nothing inherently wrong w/ meat by-products. Those are things like organs, connective tissue, etc., all of which are perfectly good foods from a feline standpoint! Lower quality ingredients ARE an issue (from 4D animals, etc), which is, indeed, more likely in the lower quality foods.
ahh, thank you. maybe i am thinking of meat meal, is that the rendered stuff?
 

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Generally it's better if it says, "chicken meal" or "beef meal," but again, meal in and of itself isn't "bad." At least, no worse than any other meat prepared for animals rather than humans and then cooked.
 

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Murphy had loose stools after being on an antibiotic. Have any of your kitties been on an antibiotic?

At any rate, even with a probiotic supplement it took a good 2 months for everything to return to normal. You may just need more time.
No ones been on an antibiotic. All stools changed for all three cats once I changed to wet food.
 

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Did you switch gradually?
 

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A great money saving tip- Check out brands that come in larger cans. Wellness and Innova both come in 13oz cans!

In my area, they are a little over $2 per can, or 17 cents per ounce. THis is the equivalent of a $.50 3oz can. While fancy feast classic ingredients arent too bad, they do have meat-by-products as the third ingredient. THis is one of those mystery ingredients that *could* be contributing to the tummy issues. Check out wellness, Innova, or EVO.
I checked out wellness the other day because it seemed like the next best option but even the larger cans at almost $2 with tax a can is almost but not quite double what I'm already paying. It would be different if I was only feeding one or two cats but three cats go through a lot a food.
Has anyone had success with a human grade probiotic?
 

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Did you switch gradually?
Well I do remember having to put dry in their wet in the beginning to get them to eat it at all but I could of done it more gradual. I had some health issues with my kitten and after all the tests and months of vet visits; it started to point at the dry food. So I may have done the switch too hastily. I remember now; we thought my kitten had CRF because of his low urine concentration results and we were going to retest him a month later and the plan was off the dry go completely wet. Could be my fault.
 
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