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When Mr. Mean GrumpyP.ants starts chasing Shepherd Book, it's NOT an invitation for everyone to play.

I tried to join in the fun and jumped on MowMow's back when he was chasing Shepherd Book and he .....he TURNED ON ME! At first I was running blind just looking for a place to hide, then I saw Mom standing in the bedroom doorway and hightailed it to her. She scooped me up JUST before Mean GrumpyPants caught me! He yeowled at her but she told him no, that I was still too little. PHEW!


So, stay away from Mean GrumpyPants if you see him!!!
 

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My name is Shepherd Book and I approve this message. (Oh God, is he gone yet? Someone save me!)


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Aww, poor Neelix!! Someday, little fellow, you will be a big as Mr. Mean GrumpyPants and can take him in a head lock complete with bunny kick for good measure!! Until then keep eating your spinach (or whatever mom feeds you because it's all good!).
 

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Poor little Neelix...he just wanted to play. Grown up's are NOT fun sometimes. LOL!!! I can just imagine the scene, and it did make me laugh.
 

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Yeah, things have gotten a little TOO real for his taste lately.

I've been way less tolerant of bad behavior. Last night he tried to escape with the sponge out of the kitchen sink and I didn't realize I sounded so harsh.. but when I yelled at him to drop it he did... and ran into his room. A few seconds later he peeked around the corner of the door frame like "You still psycho?" :p I was more shocked than angry. If I hadn't noticed and caught him in time he would have eaten of it, I was scared it would damage him. When he peeked out I cracked up and he let out a loud open mouthed YAAAOOOWWWWW at me. So I called him to me.... he was so cute when he barreled across the apartment and dove onto my lap like, "YAY! FUN mom is back!!!"

Then mean MowMow attacked him this morning... that scared the bejeezus out of him.

Lately he went from being very timid and respectful around MowMow to dive bombing him. Each time he gets hit by MowMow and I scold him verbally but now he dive bombs and just runs into his room giving himself a time out. He KNOWS the drill... but sometimes he just can't help himself.
 

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Lol, what a cutie. I'm not surprised he got scared out of his wits being attacked by MowMow - unfortunately a kitten his age isn't going to have much self-control, or be able to 'remember' consequences - he just sees and pounces lol. As we talk about so often on here that's why two kittens together make out so much better because they both love to wrestle and play non-stop pretty much. Do you attempt to correct MowMow when he goes after the other two cats?
 

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Correct MowMow? I'm sorry.... this does not compute...

In my house correcting MowMow means picking him up and giving him kisses and cuddles while saying, "no, MowMow, that's not being a nice schmoooshyface...." Then because he's so cute he gets scratches and possibly treats. :p

MowMow doesn't go after Neelix unless it's to correct Neelix and he never uses his claws on him so I don't correct him for that. I do scold Neelix and shamefully (Yes, I admit it) pick up MowMow and coo apologies to him about mean little kittens with no respect. Seriously, he's a giganto Mama's boy.

MowMow *DOES* attack Book. At least a few times a week, the only time I step in is if it's late at night and it might be disruptive to the downstairs neighbors. He chases Book around the apartment while Book screams like a little girl (the entire time he's running, he's screaming) until he finds a place to protect himself, usually behind the headboard or behind the toilet. Then he stands and faces MowMOw (still screaming) and they have a slapping fight (picture two teenager girls slapping at each other's hands).... MowMow gets bored and wanders off meowing plaintively because life is hard and no one wants to 'play' with him.

It's easier in the winter because I've got two feliways plugged in and that calms MowMow and greatly reduces the attacks on Book. I unplug them in the summer though, with all the windows open there's not point in using them.

It drives my mom nuts when she visits. :p How I coo at MowMow and call him a fragile delicate old man.... after he's just put the beat down on poor Book.
 

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Wow - I have to say this makes me really sad for Book, and I have to agree with your mother. I could never tolerate my cat feeling that scared, and screaming and running around trying to find a place to hide without getting any protection from me, unless it's going to upset the neighbors. I'm sorry but I have to say it doesn't seem like much of a life, and even seems cruel. At least this explains why MowMow feels he can do no wrong.
 

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MowMow can do no wrong. It's a fact. He's my first kitty ever, my angel, and my little soul mate. Is he a jerk sometimes? You bet! He's my little jerk though and if someone doesn't like him, they can put me on ignore and not read about him.

It's not every day all day that it's like that. A few times a week for a short period of time(5 minutes tops) MowMow gets some hair to chase Book. Book knows exactly where to run to be safe and that's what he does. He's not running around "looking for a place to hide" he's running straight (usually) to a spot where he can be protected on 3 sides and defend himself. He's not a complete dolt.

MowMow has NEVER hurt him, he's never been bloodied or hurt. MowMow keeps his claws sheathed and has never bitten Book, the only one who has ever come out of it scathed is MowMow with scratches on his nose from Book lashing out at him (which I agree he deserves). If Book would NOT run and just turn and face MowMow he would back right down.

Despite what it sounds like, I watch them closely and if I felt that someone was being HURT I would step in immediately, but that's never happened. The moment MowMow gets bored and wanders off Book pops out of his hiding place (not creeping or scared) and goes about his business with his tail up and never acts afraid.

Book spends 99.9% of his time chilling wherever he wants with no problem whatsoever. They lay next to each other, he grooms MOwMow (and Neelix), and he sleeps next to me at night WITH MowMow..every night all night. They share beds, pillows, and litterboxes with no issues.

He is just as much of a jerk with MowMow as the other way around. Each meal (3x per day) he's a putz and runs around punching MowMow in the face while I dish up the food. He runs in, hits him and then runs away....then comes back and hits him and runs away. I don't step in then either.

Both MOwMow chasing him and Book punching MowMOw can be solved by either one sticking up for themselves. If Book stood up to MowMow and let him have it (he actually outweighs MowMow and is pure muscle compared to MowMow being underweight and having little muscle tone, it's not like he's overpowered) then he'd back right down, Mow is a giant wussy. If MowMow hit Book back during mealtimes instead of just crying, Book would stop punching him.

He's not "scared" of MowMow, he doesn't hide or cower. He wanders around of his own free will and doesn't creep around scared or anything. He moves around the apartment with his head and tail and ears up all the time.

*Oh, and the picture of Book above is not because of MowMOw, that's when I had that dog I wanted to adopt. Book was watching the dog, not MowMow
 

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It seems like MowMow has lots of pent-up aggressive energy! This is an interesting case.

As Neelix grows, he may seem like more of a threat to MowMow...
 

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Agreed, that does sound a lot different than my original impression. I wonder why MowMow doesn't retaliate when Book does his mealtime attacks but then goes all out when he takes a notion? Cat are definitely weird sometimes, that's for sure. And it's true that everyone has to handle their own cats the way they see fit in any case - I just had a moment of feeling so sad for Book, but I can see it's not what I was thinking.
 

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He's not that bad, he gets aggressive but it passes quickly and it doesn't happen as often as it used to. I think he's been downright mellow and fragile since his surgery in July. I've never felt like he quite came back from it 100%.

Neelix WILL be a threat to MowMow as he gets older. He's a LOT more like MowMow than he is like Book. Book is super passive and kind of has a 'whatever' attitude about most things (except food). Neelix and MowMow both remind of the SIamese cats from Lady and the Tramp.
 

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I will admit in the beginning when this all started it was hard on Book and scared the crap out of me. When I tried to correct MowMow he turned COMPLETELY timid and then Book was a complete weeny to him. He would constantly pick on him so I decided to let MowMow alone and let him handle it.

When I had my stroke and my mom was staying at my apartment and caring for them (for a week while I was in hospital) she did the same thing. She said she 'got on' MowMOw (knowing her that means chased him around clapping her hands at him) about being so mean to Book all the time. It took MONTHS for things to settle back down and I even contacted the rescue about returning him. Book turned into a complete ASS and I hated him. He was *SO* mean to MowMow. Not like, Oh, he's picking on my spoiled baby... but like stop beating the **** out of my cat!!!!!!...Once MowMOw took control again (after my mom left) things finally settled down and this was the result.

I don't know if he's just reminding Book on a regular basis , "I'm the freaking boss, like it lump it!" or if he's just got some freaky twisted sense of 'fun'.

I don't like it. It's makes me anxious, stressed, and it's LOUD... but we're all learning to work around it. Personally, I think it benefits Book because once Mow's done and wanders off Book gets lots of love and pets from me and headbutts from Neelix. Once he pops out of hiding he comes straight to me now with a 'DO you believe that!?' kind of attitude.

ETA: Oh, and according to the neighbors there is never any noise when I'm not home. So it appears they ONLY do it when I'm there. So, I must fit into the equation SOME way.
 

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I totally understand. I have been watching my two more closely. Blanco hates to be inside, Blanco gets bored within seconds, Blanco decides to jump on Mama. They wrestle and Mama gets away and runs to me or different places. Did you ever see a cat run towards a patio door and get on her hind legs and scratch with her front legs like crazed? Oddly enough as soon as she does that, Blanco stops. So why does Mama just lay on the floor in full view of Blanco when she knows he is going to do this? I also notice that Mama is chasing Blanco on rare occasion. And when she gets mad she goes up high and if he comes by she gives him a good swat! If he does go on the top shelf of the cat tree she goes under the shelf and reaches up and bops him and ducks down. He goes back to sleep. I wouldn't want to leave them alone locked up for a long time but agreed it is manageable even though when it happens it is unnerving. And I believe Mama does get jealous of attention I give Blanco and maybe Blanco is territorial.
It will be interesting to see when Neelix is 1.5 - 2 years old how the dynamics change.
 
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