Cat Forum banner

1 - 20 of 41 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
122 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
I'm going to preface this by saying that it may sound like an absurd question.

I stopped eating meat besides poultry when I was nine and gave up poultry when I was about twelve, so I've never really handled raw meat and neither has my boyfriend. I bought a separate cutting board and a sharp knife specifically for raw feeding, but as far as handling the meat....do you just use your bare hands? Do people wear gloves when preparing meat? I truly haven't a clue. Are organs messy? It's not that I have issues with getting my hands dirty, but I think this will take some getting used to!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
305 Posts
I'm going to preface this by saying that it may sound like an absurd question.

I stopped eating meat besides poultry when I was nine and gave up poultry when I was about twelve, so I've never really handled raw meat and neither has my boyfriend. I bought a separate cutting board and a sharp knife specifically for raw feeding, but as far as handling the meat....do you just use your bare hands? Do people wear gloves when preparing meat? I truly haven't a clue. Are organs messy? It's not that I have issues with getting my hands dirty, but I think this will take some getting used to!
I think it's a good idea to buy a separate cutting board and knife. The first raw meal I ever gave my cats was the first time I ever handled raw meat and I used my bare hands. So it's OK to use your bare hands. But if you want to use gloves then that's fine too, just make sure they are sterile and you dispose them after each use. It's fine to use your bare hands as long as you don't touch anything else and if you do then wipe it with antibacterial soap or bleach and also wash your hands with antibacterial soap.

Chicken liver can be quite messy, stinky and gross in my opinion but my cats love it! And it is a requirement.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
751 Posts
Personally, I always wear plastic gloves when cutting the meat. I also wear gloves when I am feeding everyone as I can't wash my hands then until I get home. I just feel safer if I am wearing gloves...which is pretty pathetic coming from someone who will help pull a calf and not thing anything of it lol!

Liver can be messy if not frozen - it works best to cut it when it is half frozen :) Much less mess!
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
2,746 Posts
Being vegan, I was BEYOND grossed out by the whole thing at first. I think you should do whatever helps you feel more comfy about it.

I have one side of my 2-well sink that is ONLY for raw meat. The other side is everything else. I have a cutting board, tongs, knife, and poultry shears ONLY for the meat. When I'm done w/ prep I spray the sink, my tools, and my hands (after washing) with a vinegar/water solution (which is what I use for general cleaning). When I started I did wear gloves, but honestly they're more trouble than they're worth.

It DOES get easier. I hadn't eaten meat in 25 years when I started taking my dogs and cats raw--I literally had a meltdown in Whole Foods and had to call a friend and have her talk me down, LOL. Just talking w/ butchers in the meat department made me want to cry.

But now I'm pretty blase about it, so it WILL get better. Just hang in there!!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
122 Posts
Discussion Starter #7
Aw :( I hope I don't have a meltdown! I'm picking up my first order of meat from the butcher tomorrow and I'm pretty darn nervous about that part, more than anything else. I do have a friend coming with me, both for moral support and help carrying all 20 zillion cases! I am hoping not to get sick in public. Or at home! Yikes.

That's a great idea with the sink! I think I'll try that. What ratio of water and vinegar do you use? I decided to use that instead of a chemical cleaner. Also, where do you feed? I have a linoleum floor, so I'm thinking that'll be as easy as anything to clean up afterward, assuming they all stay where I put their food! (Fat chance!)

Anyway, thank you for the support. It means a lot!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
122 Posts
Discussion Starter #8
lol, are we all vegans here on the raw diet forum?
HAHA! Oh, the irony!

Actually, I think it makes more sense than vegans feeding vegan petfood! You wouldn't BELIEVE the conversation I had with a vegan friend when I first heard that people feed cats vegan. Let's put it this way; he's convinced that wild lions, cheetahs, etc would be healthier if they were forced to eat vegan diets. He claims they wouldn't suffer from so much heart, liver and kidney disease and would live longer. WHAAAA?! Since when do wild tigers die from diet related heart disease?! Holy smokes.
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
2,746 Posts
Actually, I think it makes more sense than vegans feeding vegan petfood! You wouldn't BELIEVE the conversation I had with a vegan friend when I first heard that people feed cats vegan. Let's put it this way; he's convinced that wild lions, cheetahs, etc would be healthier if they were forced to eat vegan diets. He claims they wouldn't suffer from so much heart, liver and kidney disease and would live longer. WHAAAA?! Since when do wild tigers die from diet related heart disease?! Holy smokes.
Yeah. I have a fellow vegan friend who keeps telling me about HER friend who feeds her cats a vegan diet. That poor cat. <sigh> I'm sure it's possible to manufacture something out of soy that will keep a cat alive for a while, but what a life! Makes me very sad.

I sure feel much better about feeding real meat I sourced myself versus the c*** that's in pet food! And I know that both I AND my cats/dogs are eating what is best for each of us. Doesn't get much better than that!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
33 Posts
I also use my bare hands when handling the meat, but gloves are also an easy and convenient idea!

you mentioned you were getting a gazillion cases of meat.... any idea how you're planning on preparing the food? For me when I get a large shipment of meat in I take the afternoon to "prepare and package" it for the freezer! pretty much it means cutting up the food (in my case ground with organs/bones) and portioning it into nightly meals. I then grease a cookie sheet with olive oil and freeze every 'meat ball' or chicken part organs/hearts seperatly until they are frozen on the outside. that makes it very easy to portion them into small baggies to take out and defrost in the fridge or microwave on a daily basis without them all being stuck to each other while frozen and having to defrost the whole bunch to get one. cuts down on the clean up too since you're preparing and packaging on the same day :)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
122 Posts
Discussion Starter #12
I'm not quite sure yet! I think I'll have to play it by ear and see what works best for us. I'm feeding five medium to large dogs and four cats, so I was thinking of maybe separating a weeks worth at a time? I'd be using wayyyyyy too many baggies if I did what you do! Also, I don't plan on grinding, just feeding whole, appropriately sized pieces. I suspect it'll be a lot of trial and error at first!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
751 Posts
I wouldn't try keep raw food in the fridge for more than 3-4 days. You don't want it to go bad. I use gallon sized ziplocs and use one a day...if you get them from Costco they are much cheaper than from a grocery store.
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
2,746 Posts
I'm not quite sure yet! I think I'll have to play it by ear and see what works best for us. I'm feeding five medium to large dogs and four cats, so I was thinking of maybe separating a weeks worth at a time? I'd be using wayyyyyy too many baggies if I did what you do! Also, I don't plan on grinding, just feeding whole, appropriately sized pieces. I suspect it'll be a lot of trial and error at first!
I also feed cats and dogs. I do no pre-portioning except w/ mice (I just open the bag they came in while they are frozen and tong them into baggies, 4 to a baggie, so I can thaw one baggie at at time) and organ. I get my organs at the Asian market and they come 4 livers or kidneys to a pack. So I thaw a pack, put one item in each baggie, and re-freeze. I label baggies L or K. Then I can grab one at a time. I divide 1 liver into 3 dog portions and 2 cat portions a few times a week.

I do also pre-portion out quail (I thaw a package of those, cut the 8 quail in half, and bag them up 2 to a baggie and toss them back in the freezer).

Otherwise, for the dogs I thaw either meaty meat (right now that's venison) or bony meals (whole chickens) and just before feeding I cut up and portion out into bowls. The cats get the rest of what meatymeat I thawed for the dogs.

Dogs will happily eat meat that has sat in the fridge for WEEKS. Trust me. ;) Cats are pickier. Generally I don't thaw more than will be eaten thet next day for either species.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
33 Posts
didn't realize you had so many animals to feed! I would still suggest freezing everything seperatly. that way you can label one large ziploc with organs, wings, etc. then just pick and choose from the bags and defrost as needed :)
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
2,746 Posts
didn't realize you had so many animals to feed! I would still suggest freezing everything seperatly. that way you can label one large ziploc with organs, wings, etc. then just pick and choose from the bags and defrost as needed :)
I don't really see how you can do that when they are frozen. ?? They will stick together and you can't get them apart.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,244 Posts
Is it safe to thaw meat & then refreeze it? I was always taught that was a no no for people food, but maybe animals can stomach it better?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
33 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by zoologist
didn't realize you had so many animals to feed! I would still suggest freezing everything seperatly. that way you can label one large ziploc with organs, wings, etc. then just pick and choose from the bags and defrost as needed
I don't really see how you can do that when they are frozen. ?? They will stick together and you can't get them apart.

if you look back on my first post on this topic i suggested she freeze everything seperatly on a cookie sheet greased with olive oil and then once frozen separate into different bags.

for example. I got a sandwich bag FULL of chicken hearts frozen into one giant block of hearts. i defrosted the chicken hearts and put them on a cookie sheet in a single layer so none of them were touching eachother. i refroze them for about an hour and then put them all into a baggie. this way I can keep them frozen in the freezer in one bag and only pull out 3-4 hearts each time without having to defrost the entire bag.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
122 Posts
Discussion Starter #20
The only problem with that method is that pretty much everything I ordered is in 30 or 40 pound cases. 270lbs worth. Plus, I just placed a smaller order of about 50lbs of kidneys, tripe and trachea, so we're looking at over 300lbs. It would take me days to thaw, separate, refreeze and bag all of that! There must be an easier way...
 
1 - 20 of 41 Posts
Top