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I am trying to give raw diet to my cat. 2 days ago I put raw chicken with bone in his wet food, and his stool became soft the next day and he tried to vomit something that morning. I thought maybe it is hard for him to digest bone, so I pureed chicken bone in big blender, and after 1 and a half hour eating it, he was crying in litter box and got diarrhea.
Does anyone know why???
 

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Bone -should- have the oppostie effect (causing stool to be harder, firmer). I am guessing you didn't take any of the skin off? Skin DOES cause the runs, esp. when the cat/dog in question is not used to it. Also, SOME cats/dogs can't handle processing raw and processed foods at the same time right off the bat.

My suggestion would be to start with chicken necks and see how kitty does. Necks have no fatty skin attached! If your baby still has the runs, I would see if they would maybe eat the raw without the canned... and you can feed the canned hours later (6-12) in the day and see if that causes issues.

Goodluck! Transitioning kitties is hard work, but worth it in the end. :)

As an aside, you can get Slippery Elm Bark Powder at all many human health food stores, in capsule form, and open the capsules and add this to the canned food until the runs stop (SEB is made to coat the digestive tract and help stop the runs). Always helps my guys.
 

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Bone -should- have the oppostie effect (causing stool to be harder, firmer). I am guessing you didn't take any of the skin off? Skin DOES cause the runs, esp. when the cat/dog in question is not used to it. Also, SOME cats/dogs can't handle processing raw and processed foods at the same time right off the bat.
The raw bones I pureed are bones of different part of chicken sold in a pack, and I added this to raw chicken breast and canned food, so there is no skin.

Do you think the cause of his diarrhea could be bone having been processed? Or are some cats allergic to raw bones? Will he gradually get better with it after some time?

He had normal but a bit soft stool about 4 hours before he ate. After eating this raw meal with canned food, he was crying in litter box for ages and had diarrhea, so I suppose the pureed bone might have irritated his bowl. He has never had diarrhea in his life....
 

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Bone is primarily calcium, and calcium can be very constipating. If your cat ate more than a very small amount of bone, it's likely that he's constipated. Sometimes when a cat is badly constipated, he will strain so hard in the litterbox that all he manages to push out is a little liquid stool that leaks out from around the constipated stool. That may be what you saw that made you think he was having diarrhea.

Because bone can be so constipating, it should be fed in small amounts only and with plenty of muscle meat. My raw-fed cats get 1/4 of a chicken neck daily as their bone source, along with muscle and organ meats. Even with that small amount of bone, I occasionally have a cat constipate and have to eliminate the bone from their meals entirely for a day or two.

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It seems that the possibility of constipation is small now....cuz he just had another watery stool. Now I don't know how long this will last. I will try to get slippery Elm Bark Powder. Does diarrhea in cat usually last many days?

Now he is sitting on my bed, looking pissed.
 

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The raw bones I pureed are bones of different part of chicken sold in a pack, and I added this to raw chicken breast and canned food, so there is no skin.

Do you think the cause of his diarrhea could be bone having been processed? Or are some cats allergic to raw bones? Will he gradually get better with it after some time?

He had normal but a bit soft stool about 4 hours before he ate. After eating this raw meal with canned food, he was crying in litter box for ages and had diarrhea, so I suppose the pureed bone might have irritated his bowl. He has never had diarrhea in his life....
Okay, what exactly did the parts look like? I think there may be the possibilty that the "many parts" you blended (in a blender!?) were not actually boney parts. Bones from chickens are not soft enough to be blended in a blender! I think maybe what you bought was gizzards? If he's eating large amounts of raw meat with no bone, that may cause the runs.

Cats aren't allergic to raw bones, well, let me say that MOST cats aren't. Raw meat/bones and cooked meat/bones are different and react different to carnivores.. my cats are allergic to chicken in pet food, but not raw chicken. See what I mean?

Blending the bones shouldn't have caused him any "irritation", we feed coarsely ground bone all the time and no one's had any issues.

What I meant by PROCESSING the raw with PROCESSED food was that since raw digests at a different rate than the canned food.. it is possible his tummy is upset by eating both at once. This doens't happen OFTEN but it is a possibility.

Bone is primarily calcium, and calcium can be very constipating. If your cat ate more than a very small amount of bone, it's likely that he's constipated. Sometimes when a cat is badly constipated, he will strain so hard in the litterbox that all he manages to push out is a little liquid stool that leaks out from around the constipated stool. That may be what you saw that made you think he was having diarrhea.

Because bone can be so constipating, it should be fed in small amounts only and with plenty of muscle meat. My raw-fed cats get 1/4 of a chicken neck daily as their bone source, along with muscle and organ meats. Even with that small amount of bone, I occasionally have a cat constipate and have to eliminate the bone from their meals entirely for a day or two.

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This is also a very good point. Even if your kitty has the runs for a long time, he can still be very constipated. I think we need to find out how much bone or meat you gave him.. and whether it was actually bone or not?

It seems that the possibility of constipation is small now....cuz he just had another watery stool. Now I don't know how long this will last. I will try to get slippery Elm Bark Powder. Does diarrhea in cat usually last many days?

Now he is sitting on my bed, looking pissed.
LOL When I get the runs for more than a few days, I am also not so happy! ;)

What laurie was saying could still be true, if he is extremely constipated that only the slight liquid is coming out. I would, at this point, bring him for a checkup as well. IF he ate too much bone and it's causing him to be severly constipated he may need help to push it out (enema).. if it's just that he's eating too much muscle meat, or his tummy isn't dealing with trying to process two different types of food (raw & cooked) at once, atleast you will get peace of mind that he isn't stuck-up.

We've done raw now for 3+ years and if our cats get the runs now (which they do every so often when I forget to add enough bone) it's usually only one time.. then we give bone and they're good. Antibiotics cause the runs, so when a cat is on those we tend to also give SEB daily with more bone heavy meals.

Runs can cause dehydration, so it's super important that you find a way to stop it. Whether that's stopping the raw for a while, or going to the vet to get their opinion. Maybe give him a few weeks to get better and start over? But make sure you KNOW for 100% sure what parts you are giving him, and whether or not they are "enhanced" (enhanced chicken is full of extra salt that causes runs in most every animal - this happens more than people would like to know).
 

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Just when I am tying now, he is having another running stool. This time the volume has decreased from last time, and this is the third run today after that evil meal. God, I am hoping the next stool will be not watery....This is too horrible to watch him keep running to litter...

Yes, that pack is chicken bone with a bit of meat of different parts, it says chicken bone on the pack. I used a heavy duty mixer, which can grind almost everything. I forgot to mention that I.. half cooked... the bone before I pureed it with a bit of water because I didn't want it to be too bloody in the blender, but the chicken breast is raw. I added about 3 teaspoons of puree to 1/3 of chicken breast and 30 g of canned food.
 

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You COOKED the bone!??! Oh my. Please bring your kitty to the vet. Now.

Cooked bone splinters and makes shards. I don't want to panic you, but this can lead to very serious problems. :( Any time a bone is warmed it starts to cook, and even if you mean "half cooked" as in has it in real hot water, that could be enough to start cooking those bones.

I would ask for an Xray to see if there are any portions of bone stuck, and get him re-hydrated asap.

Goodluck. *sends healing thoughts to kitty*
 

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God, I am confused. The bone is pureed into a paste. How does it splinter??
I was afraid it might splinter, so I really pureed it finely.... Can you please let me know???
 

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God, I am confused. The bone is pureed into a paste. How does it splinter??
I was afraid it might splinter, so I really pureed it finely.... Can you please let me know???
Without knowing exactly what you're feeding, in what amounts and how often, it's difficult to help you.

You say you pureed a "package" - can you post a picture of the package or a link to it? If not, can you write down exactly what it says on the package?

Did it have any "enhancements" - sauces, spices, etc.?

How much raw are you feeding? What are you buying, how are you preparing it, what amounts do you give each time, and how often do you give it?

What else are you feeding, how much at a time, and how often?

It sounds to me as if you've only fed a single raw meal, and that meal was a mix of both canned cat food as well as some as-yet-unidentified chicken parts with bone likely included?

You may have an emergency on your hands, or you may just have a kitty who reacted to a kinda weird mix of foods. Hard to tell until we have more details.

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One thing for sure, though, and I can't stress this enough - NEVER, EVER FEED COOKED BONE. NEVER!!!!!! Cooking it destroys everything good about it and makes the bone brittle so it splinters easily with very sharp ends; a disaster just looking for a place to happen.

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Looking forward to your answers!

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You say you pureed a "package" - can you post a picture of the package or a link to it? If not, can you write down exactly what it says on the package?
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My mother got it from meat store. The butcher packed the bone together, and I remember the label on the wrap says something like "chicken bone, do not eat raw".

I normally give him Royal canin in the morning (leaving there whole day)and canned food at night. I decided to switch him to raw recently. 3 days ago, I put about 1/3 raw chicken breast in his canned food, and he was fine. The next day, I put smashed chicken bone in his canned food, and his stool was still fine, but he kinda wanted to vomit once in the morning. I thought maybe he can't digest raw bone well, so I pureed cooked chicken bone in blender with some water and put about 3 tea spoons in his canned food with raw chicken breast. He went to litter crying one and a half hours after the meal and had loose stool. Since then, he has been going to litter immediately every time he ate his kibble, and some loose stool each time. It has been about 17 hours.
I know I have done the wrong thing by now, but I really want to figure out what is wrong with my cat now.
He has no other illness, and is very alert and active.
Should I take away his dry food for one day?
Is the pureed chicken bone hazardous? I could still feel some sandy stuff between finger after I pureed it, but it is very pasty....
 

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I am reluctant to take him to vets because all the vets I know are horrible with minor illness. They always try to give anesthesia even when it is not necessary, or they just prescribe unknown medicine to be taken for ages......I am afraid I would be convinced by them to do many examinations or give liver-damaging medicines for ages if my cat doesn't need those....
 

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Yup, it could be that "sandy" stuff that's causing the problems.
The reason the package said not to eat the bone or meat as raw, was for humans... our system is different than cats, and I doubt the butcher knew you'd be giving the package to a cat.

A vet trip would be good...just go to a vet that has good reviews or recommendations. In the meantime, make sure kitty is getting enough fluids and nutrients, as diarrhea can make them dehydrated. Feed a banana, pumpkin (NOT pie filling!), or even just a little bit of Pedialyte (the stuff you give to kids).
 

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My mother got it from meat store. The butcher packed the bone together, and I remember the label on the wrap says something like "chicken bone, do not eat raw".
Packed the bone together with what?

I normally give him Royal canin in the morning (leaving there whole day)and canned food at night. I decided to switch him to raw recently. 3 days ago, I put about 1/3 raw chicken breast in his canned food, and he was fine. The next day, I put smashed chicken bone in his canned food, and his stool was still fine, but he kinda wanted to vomit once in the morning.
How much / how many bones? Was this bone also cooked? Smashed how small?

I thought maybe he can't digest raw bone well, so I pureed cooked chicken bone in blender with some water and put about 3 tea spoons in his canned food with raw chicken breast.
So the bone wasn't mixed with anything except water? How much bone did you blend?

He went to litter crying one and a half hours after the meal and had loose stool. Since then, he has been going to litter immediately every time he ate his kibble, and some loose stool each time. It has been about 17 hours.
I know I have done the wrong thing by now, but I really want to figure out what is wrong with my cat now.
He has no other illness, and is very alert and active.
Should I take away his dry food for one day?
Is the pureed chicken bone hazardous? I could still feel some sandy stuff between finger after I pureed it, but it is very pasty....
If I were you, I'd take him in to be checked out as soon as I could. It's possible some of the cooked bone splinters, even as tiny as they seem to be, may be causing issues and that's not something you want to wait to find out.

Also, just FYI, until your cat is eating at least one full raw meal a day, I wouldn't be feeding any bone-in meals at all (and even at 50% raw fed, I'd be feeding very, very little bone). You're already feeding kibble, which is dehydrating, and canned products already have calcium included - if you add real bone, too, I think you're feeding too much bone.

In addition to taking the cat to the vet, I'd feed only canned foods for now. No kibble, no raw. Once your cat is healthy again, you can start to transition him onto raw once again.

Take a look at these sites for raw feeding information and transitioning tips:And this sticky has some information about how much of what to feed your cat (80% meat, etc.).

Good luck, Hobbes! Please let us know how your kitty is feeling tomorrow, ok?

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Thanks for the reply...

Packed the bone together with what?AC
There were only bones with a bit of meat attached to them.

How much / how many bones? Was this bone also cooked? Smashed how small? "AC
The first time I gave him only tiny bit of raw bone, smashed to about 5 mm, about 3 tea spoonful.


So the bone wasn't mixed with anything except water? How much bone did you blend?AC
Yes, nothing but water. I blend about 6 pieces of bone (each about 5 cm) with about 2/3 cup of water. So about 1 part water, 1 part bone.

You mean, bones as tiny as sand could splinter? I gave him about 3 tea spoons, he probably only finished 2 tea spoons.
If the bones are smaller than 2mm, how does doctor remove them??
 

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Thanks for the reply...
There were only bones with a bit of meat attached to them.

The first time I gave him only tiny bit of raw bone, smashed to about 5 mm, about 3 tea spoonful.

Yes, nothing but water. I blend about 6 pieces of bone (each about 5 cm) with about 2/3 cup of water. So about 1 part water, 1 part bone.

You mean, bones as tiny as sand could splinter? I gave him about 3 tea spoons, he probably only finished 2 tea spoons. If the bones are smaller than 2mm, how does doctor remove them??
I have no idea, Hobbes. And I meant that the pieces are splintered / slivers.

Hopefully, though, whatever is ailing your little buddy is an easy fix!

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I took him to the vet. The vet said his bowl lining was scratched and gave me medicine. I gave my cat medicine, but he threw up everything in 2 minutes and went to litter to have more watery stool. He then hid in blanket and didn't want to eat anything. His has nothing in his stomach that his stool is just some whitish mucous that looks like the medicine he took...
How do I give medicine if he would throw up and feel sick???
Does anyone have any experience in thiss???
 

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I took him to the vet. The vet said his bowl lining was scratched and gave me medicine. I gave my cat medicine, but he threw up everything in 2 minutes and went to litter to have more watery stool. He then hid in blanket and didn't want to eat anything. His has nothing in his stomach that his stool is just some whitish mucous that looks like the medicine he took...
How do I give medicine if he would throw up and feel sick???
Does anyone have any experience in thiss???
I have very little experience feeding meds to cats but there are many here who can give you tips.

While you're waiting, however, may I suggest you call the vet and let him know that your cat couldn't tolerate the medicine? The vet may know why (nausea, possibly) and have an alternative med or something that could mitigate the problem. I wouldn't wait on this.

Glad you took him in, but sad to hear he's still feeling poorly. May he get better very soon!

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Thank you!
I just rang the vet. He said anything I gave him through syringe would make him feel nauseated. He said I should keep giving him medicine to help repairing his digestive lining.
My cat eats very little now, and he seems changed. Everytime he came out of litter, he looked very angry, and woudln't let me pick him up.
 

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