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This came up in another thread about Macy's food allergies. Mom and I have been discussing the raw diet but I have no idea where to start. Thoughts?

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Any idea what she's allergic to? What foods has she been on so far that caused he allergy problems?

Raw would probably help to control things anyway, you know exactly what is going in so no guessing around what might be causing the reaction. If you feed chicken and she reacts then no more chicken, etc. Plus there is a whole lot less stuff going in, not a bunch of different meats, grains, veggies and fruit with each meal. Just meat and when you put a new meat in you are easily able to tell whether or not that is the meat that caused the reaction.

ANYway. First step would be getting her to eat meat, any meat, but start with just one source. I usually start with chicken, if you think that perhaps chicken is her allergen then try something else, rabbit or lamb might be good. Use plain meat, cut off skin if there is any, no bones. Cut the meat into small (dime sized) chunks for experimenting. offer her one chunk and see if she recognizes it as food, perhaps toss it around to see if she'll chase or grab it and eat it. If not then work on mixing it in with her food. If she gets kibble then put maybe two chunks in with 10 pieces of kibble, see if in her eating frenzy she gulps the meat down. When she eats one add another. If you ever see her directly sniff the meat and then eat it that's a strong sign she is okay with it as food. Add more pieces of meat with the kibble until she eats it all. If it's wet food then mix a good amount of meat in and see how she responds to it. If she is hesitant add more wet so that the meat is less noticeable.

Now if she decides to be difficult you'll need to be sneaky. We'll cross that bridge when you get there.

Once you can get him to eat the small chunks of meat by themselves you can slowly work up to larger chunks over time. Your goal is mouse sized chunks at least. Once he can eat those (which means he knows how to chew) start introducing organs (liver and something else like kidney, heart counts as muscle NOT organ) and bone. Good starting bones are chicken ribs or smashed up chicken necks. If he has trouble smash them and cut the meaty bone into sections that he can handle.

but for starters get him to eat small chunks. It can be easy or hard, that's up to the cat :wink:
 

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No we don't have a clue as to what she's allergic to. She was only on ONE type of food that actually worked on her and that was the Green Pea & Venison from Natural Balance (Dry Formula) Worked soooo well. They quit making it. So we switched to the canned version. Sores everywhere again. And we can't get rid of them. We have tried so many different things so we have her on EVO (I think that's it) right now but Im seriously putting thought into going raw with her.

I can get meat from my brother/nephew when they go deer hunting. I can also use goat meat to cuz I'll have atleast one wether for butchering next year... And we can get chicken.

I would like all the info about the raw diet. Do I have to add any vitamins or anything like that? Anything else I have to use besides some type of meat(s)?

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As long as you re feeding whole meat, bone, liver and one other organ you are good for vitamins. until she has made the full transition continue feeding some commercial food. The only thing you have to add is fish oil for omega 3's. Once she is comfortable with the diet you can leave skin and fat on the meat. Variety is important, use many different types of meat, venison and goat are both good, although for you you'll need to wait some time after adding a new meat to try another new meat so you can be sure there will be no reaction. Since you know hunters I wanted to suggest that you do not feed bear meat. Bears eat garbage which leads to trichinosis. Make sure to feed some thigh and/or some heart, both have a lot of taurine. Freeze all meat before using it and defrost in the fridge (put Monday's dinner in the fridge Sunday night- takes about 24 hours to defrost in fridge).

Meat should be about 80% of the diet. Bones about 10%. Liver around 5% and other organ around 5%. You don't have to be anal about amount, be close and adjust to your cat's needs. These percentages should occur over a week's time because you do not have to feed organ and bone every day but in the course of a week the total meat, bones and organs should fall around those percentages. Your meals should be 2-4% of your cat's weight. If you needs help figuring that amount out just tell me how much your cat weighs.

Read around the sub-forum for more info.

some info: http://www.rawfedcats.org/
 

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Got another question, must all of the food be raw or can some be cooked?

That's up to you.

Most of the time raw feeders like to feed just raw. Mainly because retains most of its nutrients. Cooking usually damages some nutrients, one of the reasons why commercial products have to add a multivitamin at the end to make sure it meets the requirements. If half of the diet is cooked, you may want to look into adding a tiny bit of a cat multivitamin supplement to the food.
 

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Good luck. Preparing raw can really be simple. The first time I tried it I made it too hard for myself. This time I have made it easier for me--some may find it overboard but its easier and makes daily life more simple.

I feed a balanced meal a day--minus the bone, they only get bone 3 days a week, but those meals are completely balanced as well. I started out just trying to balance in a two week time period but quickly realized my hectic lifestyle was doing them a disservice and I wasn't going to put them in jeopardy. Now I just pre package all their meals complete--with all their organs for a day and I feel better knowing they are getting what they need.

You just have to find out what works for you and your cats.

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Just a note re: allergies -- MANY animals who appear to be "allergic" to a particular protein (chicken, say) in cooked form do NOT react when it's fed raw. Cooking alters the protein considerably. My former IBD cat eats any and all meat proteins and thrives.

You've gotten good advice here. Just try to feed 80/10/10 -- and really, cats need less than 10% bone. Feed MOSTLY meat, a LITTLE bone, and a LITTLE organ (half of which should be liver). And that is fed over time, not daily. It takes time for cats to develop jaw strength, so starting w/ smaller pieces is a good idea. Add bone gradually and keep it small. I did feed chicken necks for a while, but then I moved on to cornish game hen quarters and whole mice, as those are both more natural sources of bone. My cats get the game hen quarters once a week or so and mice 3-4 meals a week. They get meat the rest of the time, with a little liver or a little kidney added every 3-4 meals.

When you first start you do worry a lot, but it's not hard -- it really isn't! Be prepared to mix in some of her canned food to begin with if she doesn't take to it right away -- unlike dogs, you can't do "tough love" with cats due to the risk of hepatic lipidosis if they miss many meals.
 

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bones contain calcium, without bone (or calcium from somewhere, whether bone, eggshell or supplement) your cat will have some serious problems.
 

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Bone also helps keep the teeth clean.

Think of it this way: The PERFECT food for a cat is a mouse. You are trying to recreate a mouse. You can FEED mice (I do -- thawed/frozen from rodentpro.com or hare-today.com) or you can combine pieces parts to make sure that the cat is getting the same basic ingredients -- which means mostly meat, a little bone, and a little organ. :)
 

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Bone also provides magnesium. Most importantly, though, is the calcium in bone. It's very important that cats maintain a proper balance of calcium:phosphorus. Muscle meat provides lots of phosphorus. Bone provides calcium. Cats must have both.

If the diet is too heavy in muscle meat (phosphorus), diarrhea may result. If the diet is too heavy in bone (calcium), the cat will become constipated. Keep an eye on your cat's stool and adjust the muscle meat:bone ratio to keep the stool well formed, large, and comfortably squishy (think warm tootsie roll).

Also, NEVER EVER feed cooked bones! Edible bones must be served raw. Cooking makes bones brittle and prone to splintering, which can cause serious injury to your cat.

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Thankyou. So what other organ can be fed besides the liver? All we found at our local grocery store was chicken liver, gizzards, & hearts... Oh and pork stomach. But that was really expensive....didn't buy anything today, just sorta lookin' around to see what's available.

I wont have any organs from goats/deer for a while....
 

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Liver is mandatory but you must find one other organ. Kidney is usually the easiest to find. Spleen and Pancreas can also be used. I think testicles are organs too. If you can find a place with varied ethnic groups in it and go to some markets you will probably find what you are looking for. I found Kidney at market Basket though. Keep in mind that when feeding on cat a big organ like a cow kidney lasts a while so once you do get those goat organs and such they'll last you a while.
 

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The "other secreting organs" are kidneys, spleen, pancreas, thymus, testicles, and brain. Some folks consider lungs to be a secreting organ, while others consider it a muscle meat. As the last poster suggested, you may find some of these organs at ethnic food markets.

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Thanks for all the information. It's been decided, we are going ahead with the RAW diet for Macy.

Mom picked up the chicken and chicken liver today. We have cut it up and put it in separate bags and froze it. We did give her a taste of the liver this AM with her breakfast. She cleaned the food bowl. Lol. I don't see her throwing a fit about the raw diet. :D We are going to the meat locker plant this week to see if we can get another organ.

We are going to put a few pieces of raw chicken with her supper tonight and see if she eats it. I bet she will. :D

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Your meals should be 2-4% of your cat's weight. If you needs help figuring that amount out just tell me how much your cat weighs.
Can you help? She weighs in at 7 lbs. Thanks!

Thanks again for the information.
 
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