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My two kitties were being fed raw, but one of them has developed a problem.... my male cat seems to either throw up or have diarrhea. It's been the about 5-6 weeks now, from his first vomit on ground commercial turkey, then chicken, and venison, and today, rabbit! :sad: And yes, I've thawed it out and put warm water in it, to ensure it wasn't too cold. He eats veeeery slowly, too, so gulping it too fast is not an issue. He probably takes about 15 minutes, whereas my girl takes 5 minutes, tops! He also vomits several hours later...today, for example, threw up 10 hours after his AM meal. He also didn't have diarrhea at first, this has just started about 1 1/2 week ago, about a week after consuming venison. On his 2nd week on venison, I did add raw goat's milk, but stopped both after realizing the goat's milk may have been causing his loose stool, and stopped feeding him venison because he just couldn't seem to keep it down at all anymore. I went back to canned, adding water, digestive enzymes, and slippery elm bark to soothe his GI tract. No vomit issues then.

My question is, can some cats just be unable to eat raw? He has never thrown up while on dry or wet food before, and I went to the vet last week with a runny stool sample. He was tested negative for parasites, including coccidia and giardia. His stools have returned to normal the past few days after the supplementations with the canned, but today had thrown up after consuming about a tablespoon of raw ground rabbit mixed in his wellness turkey, and later seemed to be constipated as he could not have a BM and scooted his behind on my carpet. :mad: When I checked, there was a bit of blood, and his bum smelled "cheesy" (blegh...sorry, gross) and no stool, even after about 4 hours. I am thinking he'll have one tomorrow morning, though, so I'll check again then.

I am really considering taking him in to the vet again, but this will be his 3rd visit in 2-3 months! He is 9 months old, weighed 8lbs a few weeks ago, and seems to be relatively active, behaving normal otherwise...

Maybe I restarted feeding him raw again too soon? It was only about 4 days that he was eating canned food, absolutely no issues, ate with enthusiasm, too. It's only with raw that he eats slowly, so maybe his system just doesn't agree with it?

Any insight will be appreciated.
 

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I've never been able to get Holly to keep down more than 1/3 of an ounce mixed in with canned food. And she won't eat it on it's own. It comes back up within minutes. So yeah, I think that some cats just don't deal with it well.

She does eat Stella & Chewy's freeze dried raw, she loves the duck. Lately I've been giving her that in place of the little bit of kibble she gets before bed.
 

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MowMow ate it at one time with ZERO problems. I've tried reintroducing it now 4 years later and he can't hold it down.... tiny tiny amounts are fine but to feed as a meal he just can't seem to do it.
 

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My aunt's cat seems to have got pancreatitis around the same time (within weeks) of starting raw. It was too coincidental to start it again once she was back to normal... 1,600 dollars later.
 

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Thanks for replying with your own personal experiences, everyone. I don't know if it's raw, necessarily, because since I've switched to canned wet food, though he does keep it down, he still seems to have softer than normal #2s. I also witnessed him again trying to eliminate once without success yesterday....he does eventually poop, though. He had a small one this morning, so I'm worried he might have something else messed up in his colon.

I wonder how long I should keep giving him the slippery elm bark? Sigh. I know this is only relieving his symptom, and not treating the cause...
 

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.... are you sure it didn't say that cats living OUTSIDE eating raw prey (that they caught) lived shorter lifespans?

Otherwise the article was completely bogus, imo.
 

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Katrina it isn't true. There have been no decent studies done on raw food, and even if there had been the people who pay for pet food studies are pet food companies. What do you think the chances of a pet food company publishing a study that compares their food to raw food unfavorably are?

Also, to give you an idea of how 'trustworthy' the studies can be here are two of my favorite examples:

http://www.purinaveterinarydiets.com/getresource.axd?category=content&id=455

This one in particular is extra fun. In my last vet's office there was a poster that cited this study, the headline read: "Purina can increase your pet's lifespan!" (or something similar, it's been at least 3 years since I've seen it, but that was the jist)

If you read the study you'll see they were comparing Purina to ITSELF. They fed half the dogs controlled portions and half the dogs free fed. And yet the material they published said purina increased the lifespan...with no control group.

To be fair, this write up seems to have corrected that issue, but it was information they put out there for at least 3-5 years. Based on a ridiculous study.


Cambridge Journals Online - British Journal of Nutrition - Fulltext - Nutrition of the cat

This study was cited for a long time as a reason not to feed raw (although I had to do some SERIOUS digging to locate it now!). In the study half the cats were fed chopped up heart, the other were fed cooked chopped up heart...neither of which is a balanced diet in any sense of the term. It didn't end well.
 

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I dont know what he read... I havent read anything. My vet recommends raw but she does not like ground raw meat because the surface bacteria is mixed up into the food but she said its a controversial and heated discussion between researchers. . I guess im wary.. but I cant feed raw to seamus because hr has fiv so I dont worry about it

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You're vet has a lot of good info and she's right that it is controversial. The best way to form an opinion, I think, is to read up on both sides of the issue - research the points, discuss it with experts (aka vets on either side of the issue), and then decide what's right for you and your family based on you unique situation.

That being said, I don't know that him being FIV should prevent a raw diet as long as it's balanced, you're careful, and you educate yourself about proper raw management. That being said, I don't have experience with FIV kitties, so I'd suggest chatting to your vet about what she thinks if you'd like info specific to your case.
 

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Well she said something about his compromised immune system could prevent him from protecting him from the diseases found in raw meat. Its also quite expensive. . Unless I make it but I dont have time or freezer storage.. I love my vet... shes a cat only vet that is too smart for my own good haha

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I'm confused about the original topic though, because I don't understand why some cats would be intolerant of raw. I know some cats are allergic to certain proteins, but I always thought if they were allergic to chicken chunks (for example) they would be allergic to chicken cat food, etc. I thought raw was their natural, species-appropriate diet? Or have we brought them as a species so far from their roots that some of them can't get back? Sad, if that's what it is. :cry:
 

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I think it could be any number of things: GI issues causing sensitivity, their body became used to kibble/wet (big changes take time for anything and going from kibble to raw is a HUGE dietary change), it could be a health issue effecting nutrient absorption, it could be something developmental, it could be an issue with a certain protein that causes the cat to be hesitant about trying any raw meat...

I don't think there's any one single answer though. It'll vary cat-to-cat
 

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Well to update, his stools has firmed up to normal, but I'm still giving him SEB, probiotics and enzymes. Yesterday, he ate canned food with only about an ounce of raw duck mixed in in the morning meal only, and canned only at night. So far, no vomiting. I'm going to continue with this and slowly wean off the SEB to see how his stools are, and then gradually eliminate the enzymes and probiotics supplementation. Hopefully with a very slow transition, I can correlate certain things with his digestive sensitivities. I really want him to get back to raw food if possible, but minimize any stress to his digestive system. If he can't, he can't, and I'll accept it.
 
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