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Today I went to get some raw diet stuff for my kitties (mostly for Paizly, but I figure I'll feed it to everybody else too - Zinny, Nebbie, Xanthe)

So far my new meat supplier is great!

When I first called a couple weeks ago, the guy on the phone wasn't much help other than "Oh, we just put all the 'leftovers' in a chub', but wouldn't tell me what the "leftovers" were, exactly. Oh well, better than kibble and mush being eaten now!

So I drive (an hour!) up there (and an hour back). The guy at the front counter was very friendly and helpful! Finally got told what I wanted about processing (not cooked, bleached (for tripe), added preservatives, etc.) I got a list of all the stuff they offered, and the pricing. I wanted beef "mix", but they were out. So I got two lamb varieties. They were out of rabbit too, so I'll just wait until next time. When I had asked about what was in stock, he had to ask "Grams"... who was an older lady, and I assume the "Grandma" of the family. Love it when I can support little local family businesses :)

He said his dad (who I guess makes some of the deliveries) would be willing to meet me at a freeway off-ramp in my own city, so I wouldn't have to be driving up all the time! YAY! I'll still have to see about this. Really, I don't mind driving a couple hours once a month or so, if it'll help the kitties be healthier.

The place is a little tin building on a farm. There were chickens and a turkey and a couple cats. And three kittens... they were semi-feral, and one had a goopy eye, but otherwise they looked quite alright... probably because they're being fed raw ;) The guy at the front counter said this stuff is what he gives his dog.

This is what I got:
5 lbs "Mixed" - Mixed Proteins with Organs and Bone (Liver, Heart, Kidney, Pancreas, up to 2% lung if available) ... Mixed proteins is a combination of animals cut that week. It will contain Beef and Lamb, and may contain Buffalo, Elk, Venison, Antelope, Wild pig (in small amounts), Goat, etc. This is an excellent, cheap, method of keeping a varied diet for your animals.

5 lbs "Lamb" - Ground Lamb/Goat with organ and bone (Heart, liver, kidney, spleen, up to 2% lung if available) ... There is virtually no difference between Goat and Lamb. They are currently combined to be one product.

5 lbs "SIB" - 'sheep in a bag' - green tripe, heart, liver, kidney, lung, spleen, trachea, gullet, tongue, and cheek meat. Green tripe has been shaken out, ground, and frozen. It will still contain some of the greens.

15 lbs of meat for $25. Average of $1.66/lbs and that'll last me 2 weeks. So it's about $50 a month. Way better (healthier and cheaper) than what I'm feeding now at $4 a day which Paizly throws up nearly every time.


If anybody in the western section of the US wants to try them, here's the website: Raw Diet USA - Food for dogs, cats, reptiles, and ferrets.
Shipping is about $14, which I suppose isn't too bad, considering they do 2-day and pack it with dry ice to make sure it stays frozen.


Now for the question:
I know that I need to feed 1/4 lbs per cat per day (my cats weigh about 9 pounds each (Zinny is 8.9 and Paizly is 9.4), and 3% of that is 1/4 pound of meat). Buuuut, since this meat is all ground up and mixed together, should I feed it only once a day and try to feed the other 2 meals that complicated ratio of organ, muscle, bone formula? Or will this pre-packaged mixed stuff be okay for all 3 meals every day?

Also, now that I have a job and work 1-6, I need to figure out a feeding schedule. Here's what I was thinking:
7am, Noon, 7pm
or
7am, 7pm, 10pm

Would it be better to have the first two meals closer, or the last two? I really can't feed right in the middle of the day, as I'll be 20 miles from home ;p
Or maybe I could just feed at 7am and 7pm...but I think maybe 3 smaller meals might be better? Augh! I dunno how to do this! *sob* What did I get myself into? LOL

The chubs are still frozen solid, so I'll have them in the fridge another day or two before I can get them portioned into smaller baggies to put in warm water. I think in the meantime I'll try chicken gizzards again (which last time - also the first time - nobody even looked or sniffed at! Nebbie batted hers around a couple times, then went off to do something else! Oiy!)
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Enough of a corner of a chub was thaw that I scraped it off. Put it in a baggie in a bowl of warm water, and gave 1 oz to each cat, just to see how it goes.

Paizly dug right in, and is "nomming" happily. YAY! And this is the stuff with green tripe, which I've heard some cats won't eat... but she is!

The other three barely sniffed it, and are ignoring it. Eh... they'll get used to it eventually... I hope!

Gonna leave it out for about 20 minutes while I get ready for bed, then put it back in the fridge and try again in the morning. While I don't want to waste food, I figure I'll throw it out after that, as I'm not sure "heating" and re-fridging it too many times will be very good/safe.
I have no real advice on the raw front (although I would be concerned that they don't give you percentages for how much meat/bone/organ SPECIFICALLY - so your idea of feeding that mix WITH other cuts of bone/meat sounds good **altho I wouldnt add more organ, seeing as orgnas are cheaper and generally used more in pre-ground items**) --- I did want to say that I would be adding the ground raw to your kitties canned foods though, because frankly, they probably won't recognize it as food right away! Silly kittens. :)

I can just see the others thinking "What the heck is this crap, mom!? Where's the CANNED STINKY FOOD! This smells NOTHING like REAL food.. don't even try this again. *stink eye*" ... and wee Paizly "OMG BEST NOMS EVAR!!" LOL
Stinky is exactly the word, since the stuff I gave last night had green tripe. Well, it wasn't -bad- stink, but didn't smell like normal food (for humans or cats) either. But obviously Paizly didn't mind.
I will try mixing some in with canned food today, and see how that goes.
Zinny kept circling her dish, giving it a wary gaze... like it was going to jump out and eat HER instead! LOL

This stuff is mainly organs, so maybe I'll just count it as the organ part of my ratio. Now that it's thaw enough I can pull it apart and mush it in my hands, there's not much bone in it...little chunks here and there. I plan on feeding chicken wings & necks and mice a couple times a week for the bone ratio.

I've also been wondering about adding a taurine supplement. I've heard that grinding and freezing can both degrade it, and that it's very difficult to overdose a cat with taurine since it doesn't stay in their system much longer than a day. Also in my research, apparently I should be giving them either Sardines or a fish oil supplement for Omega 3 & 6.

I guess I sort of did just jump in, without totally being prepared. But I'm getting too distressed at Paizly throwing up nearly every day - and she kept down this sheep junk last night! YAY!
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Also in my research, apparently I should be giving them either Sardines or a fish oil supplement for Omega 3 & 6.

I guess I sort of did just jump in, without totally being prepared. But I'm getting too distressed at Paizly throwing up nearly every day
I think it's great you have decided to transition to raw, but I must offer this piece of advice: please calm down. You are doing just fine so far :) Your cats are not going to go blind or suffer kidney failure if you don't add Taurine in this new mixture you have sourced within the next few days. I think the fact that you are so conscientiously approaching your cats' diet is just commendable.

I also think you have found a good source for raw meats and ground mixes on the West Coast, which also comes up here quite often...so, good job!

Balance in raw feeding is something that sometimes comes with time. Your best gauge is their poop. It should be more on the dry side rather than soft; too soft and pasty and you need more bone, but if you are feeding bone-in meals 2 or so times a week, you should be fine.

I am feeding much more ground myself, and have started to sprinkle some Taurine on their ground meals; like you, I wanted to err on the side of caution. I would recommned buying it from a human vitamin store rather than a specialized animal source since the price difference and the size of the container it comes in is quite substantial. You just need to make sure it has no additives in it.

My cats eat raw frozen sardines with no additives or preservatives once per week, but yes, canned with no oil or salt is a nice substitute. You can also go the fish oil route, but I think the variety for them is good. One of my cats absolutely LOVES to eat fish so for her, it's a luxurious indulgence. I wouldn't want to take that away to simply achieve the same goal if it can be avoided.
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Meal time again. Paizly still eats it, but she must not be very hungry right now as she's just not doing much more than nibbling. (guess I should now take away the 24/7 bowl of kibble, huh? LOL)

Even with canned food (Nutro Max) mixed in and smeared lightly on top, the other three are all "Um...what's this junk?" LOL A'course Zinny is a "kibble krack addict" and won't eat this canned food anyway, so I'm not really surprised there. Oh well, it's only day 1!
My cats eat raw frozen sardines with no additives or preservatives once per week, but yes, canned with no oil or salt is a nice substitute. You can also go the fish oil route, but I think the variety for them is good. One of my cats absolutely LOVES to eat fish so for her, it's a luxurious indulgence. I wouldn't want to take that away to simply achieve the same goal if it can be avoided.
I would be perfectly willing to feed sardines to the three youngers, but with Paizly's bladder issues, I'm a bit wary. I've heard fish is really bad for their bladder/UT health... or is that just "white/ocean fish" that's in canned food?
I would be perfectly willing to feed sardines to the three youngers, but with Paizly's bladder issues, I'm a bit wary. I've heard fish is really bad for their bladder/UT health... or is that just "white/ocean fish" that's in canned food?
To be honest, I am not sure...I need to go and research that. None of my cats have had any urinary issues since I have had them, but I don't buy any bigger fish due to the high mercury content and such. I am curious now though. I'll let you know what I can dig up.
I found that magnesium in high doses is bad for UT health. Some meats like pork, beef, heart, and oily fish have high doses of magnesium. However raw sardines have about as much magnesium as raw chicken so I can't see that having too much effect on their UT issues.
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