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Although Tyson was treated for Giardia and the pong from his poo has gone (the very stinky pong) his stool remains a sloppy heap .

Im not too concerned , because he is so healthy otherwise , and its only one heap a day , but im really hoping that this RAW diet will sort it out.

He remains on probiotics. So we shall see.

Any other ideas for this sloppy poo??? Should I be worried ???? he is dewormed, no sign of illness at all , eats very well , and as you all know is hyperactive. im wondering id he wont perhaps grow out of it ???

I do monitor this situation constantly for any changes .
 

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Have you treated him for coccidia? That would be my next step. Both giardia and coccidia can cause diarrhea - often bloody diarrhea - and both can be very difficult to diagnose through fecal exams.

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I asked my vet about cocidea when I took him the first time, he reckons he looks and behaves too healthy ... a kitty with coccidea would be unwell ??? He is also a very heavy little boy.

There is no blood in his poo either , its a normal stool apart from the fact that its sloppy ..no slime either .. a tad confusing isnt it ?

I have become paranoid about his poo :oops: and study every event carefully.
 

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if it helps we had a kitten where I used to work - he came from the shelter at about 9 weeks or so. Tiny, skinny but super playful and perky. He had diarrhea. The owner brought him in constantly - we tested and tested and tested and medicated and changed foods and nothing seemed to work.

Finally at about 4 months old the owner just couldn't take cleaning her house anymore and she turned him over to us. My vet had read and article that suggested the Nature's Variety raw patties (cooked of course :roll: ) could help. A co-worker of mine took him home that weekend, I bought a bag of the frozen raw and he loved it (raw of course!) Monday when she brought him back - NORMAL STOOLS!

I don't know exactly what happened wit him. Last I heard he was still there but not doing well - he was growing, stools were normal but there were serious abnormalities in his bloodwork that led them to thinking he had some serious infection going on somewhere. I think the poor thing was just a sickly little kitten that never got the start he needed. But it was my real first hand "miracle" if you will of a raw diet :)
 

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I have a feeling that this tummy problem is a food issue .. not bad enough to cause actual diareah(sp) but enough to cause the slops ...its also not constant .. at the most two sloppy heaps in 24 hours .

His weight is excellant and is otherwise healthy .. and extremly playful. The raw diet starts the 24 .. so im intersted to see what happens.

I dont have to clean up after him because he is paranoid about a clean "potty" so as long as his potty is spotless we are fine.

I do know that he had severe malnutrion and was on a special diet for a week before he came to me ... the hills AD for sickly kitties? Poor little mite was in a bad way ...
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Did Tyson have this problem before you got him? How long have you had him and has he had this problem the whole time?

I'll give you a bit of background with my experience with this type of situation....
My male cat Bishop had constant diarrhea for YEARS....the vet had him on Medical hypoallergenic and Royal Canin Sensitivity or calorie control (he has a weight problem). He also took medication everytime the flair up got really bad. The vet just passed it off that Bishop had a sensitive stomach. Over the MANY years the diarrhea continually came back. I felt so bad for Bishop because I could not do anything for him. That was until I started reading what kind of ingredients were in cat food. And how many cats can not handle grains, fillers, meat by products, etc. That's when I started reading up on Raw diets for cats. I started transitioning him slowly with a mix of his canned food and Urban Carnivore whole chicken carcass patties. After about a month on the mix his diarrhea started clearing up. He finally was having consistant firm stools. Once he was completely on raw his diarrhea subsided. And has been gone for almost 5 months. I now purchase my own meat/organs/bones instead of commercial patties. I feel the best decision I ever made was putting him on a raw diet. In the beginning I fed him more bone with the whole chicken carcasses (higher bone content) just to firm up his stool but have since decreased the bone as his stools can get quite hard.

I hope the switch for you produces the same results!
 

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Tyson is only 12 weeks old , and he was found in the street at approx. 3 weeks of age .... and yes he had diareah (sp) then as well ..I have had him on the hills and royal canin for sensitive tummies / tinned foods have the same result .

We cant get the better quality cat foods here . I have also had him on proboitics and an immune booster for the past month.

If I could get my meat order now I would , but it has to wait .... I did notice a slight improvement with the various raw items I tried on my gang , but of course it wasnt over a long enough period to really see a difference.

Im paranoid about disinfecting potties and any areas where he has mishaps , so there cant be any bugs lingering . And he is also my only cat with this problem , so IMO I seriously doubt there is a "bug"involved. They all hunt , but they are hunting bugs in the house , I seldom see any of them with a mouse .... maybe once every few months.
 

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Awww - poor little Tyson :cry:

Have you tried him on a grain free canned food? The Royal Canin has grains and I am sure the Hills has grains as well. This may be causing the upset...While you are waiting for the meat to arrive try adding small pieces of meat into the canned as well. This may help his stomach/intestines to start to calm down....
 

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Ill have to see if I can get grain free , I have never seen it....that would also only be available in the city .... (where my meat is)

we are so far from the beaten track here its just not funny....im going into our tiny town on Saturday .. so ill get some people meat and chop that up for him.
 

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I see you have a girl cat named Lexie....my girl cats name is Lexus (aka Lexy) :wink:

Try some meat with very tiny bone - ie: tiny piece of chicken rib with a hunk of meat attached, quail, cornish game hen. Do not feed too much bone but a few pieces attached over a couple of days if Tyson will eat. Bone helps firm up the stool. Let us know what you pick up....

Now when I have to feed canned I feed Wellness grain free. I am not sure if you will have where you live. Just look at the ingredients on the can and make sure it doesn't contain wheat/ wheat gluten, corn, rice, bone meal and the first couple of ingredients should contain mainly meat (terms like chicken meal, turkey meal, meat by-products, etc. do not cut it in the meat dept.). I hope someone can chime in with other grain free canned food they feed their cats that may be available in South Africa... :D
 

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Khari the so called "best" that I have seen here is the hills range .. this is one of the reasons im switching to RAW.

Laurie gave me a link that led to link of how cat food is made and I was horrified!.. the main problem I have here is no really good quality cat food ,a nd because hills is imported is horrifically expensive. Since I saw that link I have been examining all the tinned food and pellets... IMO they are all S **&^T !

Tyson loves chopped necks , and I get nice plump ones. Im going to make a plan tomorrow to get enough meat for them to last until I get my bulk order.

Kittens seem to take to a raw diet very quickly , he and Mike where the only two that tried the liver and munched the necks until their bellies were fat :)

Its thanks to you laurie and a few others that I have now gotten into this.

My dogs will be my next project :wink:
 

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Are you feeding anything else with the chicken necks? The reason I ask is that they are very boney. You are lucky your cats took to the necks (my cats don't care for them unfortunately :( ). Adding more chunks of meat as well would be a good idea when feeding the necks. I am guessing you have researched on the proper way to feed a raw diet to your kitties? If you'd like I could point you in the direction of a few sites you may be interested in. What diet will you be following for your kitties? I started out with the prey model diet but am starting to add some veggies as my one cat was so constipated on the prey model diet. What did you purchase for your bulk order? With my two kitties I buy most things on sale and freeze it. I save so much money compared to the commercial pet food diet I was feeding them forever....
 

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Khari said:
Are you feeding anything else with the chicken necks? The reason I ask is that they are very boney. You are lucky your cats took to the necks (my cats don't care for them unfortunately :( ). Adding more chunks of meat as well would be a good idea when feeding the necks.
Necks do seem like they have a lot of bone. The bones in necks are not solid though. Still somewhat of a debate whether they can be fed without the addition of more muscle meat to try to achieve the prey model diet. There is a nutrient analysis of chicken necks including the bone that states its about a 1.1:1 Ca:ph ratio. The same ratio that most try to achieve. I currently feed just necks (well with a few other items for a basic diet). Everything seems to be going fine after about 10 months. IMO its easy to overdue it on phosphorous ( breast meat is about 1:17 ratio) but a little harder to overdue it on calcium ( a max 2:1 I think is the general consensus). Feeding more bone may contribute to constipation.

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Necks was just something I tried out to see how they would take to raw meat .. they had one each :)... then I tried liver and they were disgusted.

I will be feeding on the prey model diet ... and my meat order reflects that.

it will be chicken/tripe/liver/ox kidney . The necks will be roughly every other day and only as one meal.

And the kidney will be about 5% of the total. MY supplier is going to try and source other varieties for me . But I reckon that is good for starters.

Im also thinking of a little veggie as a filler ... but only a little .
 

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All four of my foster kittens had bad diarrhea but ate like pigs and acted completely healthly. The vet checked their stool samples and said he didnt see anything, but gave them meds for coccidia, giardia and something else. Within about 2 days the diarrhea stopped in all four. So obviously they can still act completely healthy and even have a "clean" stool sample and still have parasites.
 

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Tyson did have giardia and was treated .. and his stool is now still smelly but not that real bad pong .
 

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Yes, I read that post. What I am saying is that your cat may have not tested positive for coccidia, but that doesnt mean he doesnt have it. You had said that a kitty with coccidia would be unwell and not behaving healthy. My kittens were all acting totally normal. The vet said they all looked great and were right on with weight, and even tested negative for anything wrong. He gave meds just in case and they still worked within two days so obviously the test was not perfect and they did have something. Maybe you should see if your vet recommends treating for coccidia just in case even without a positive stool sample. Within a day or two you'll notice if it helps.
 

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He gave meds just in case and they still worked within two days so obviously the test was not perfect and they did have something.
Everytime my cat Bishop was given medication it would go away for a bit but eventually return. They pretty much tested him for everything and also gave him medication for everything. I hope this will not be the case for your kitties :wiggle

But the more research I do I am finding that diarrhea seems to be very common in cats. And I am now more certain then ever (especially after talking with so many people on different forums) that the problem more often than not is because cats can not handle many of the (not species appropriate) ingredients in commercial pet food. I was so lucky that his diarrhea finally cleared up on a raw diet and has not returned for 5 months :D
 

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Everytime my cat Bishop was given medication it would go away for a bit but eventually return. They pretty much tested him for everything and also gave him medication for everything. I hope this will not be the case for your kitties

But the more research I do I am finding that diarrhea seems to be very common in cats. And I am now more certain then ever (especially after talking with so many people on different forums) that the problem more often than not is because cats can not handle many of the (not species appropriate) ingredients in commercial pet food. I was so lucky that his diarrhea finally cleared up on a raw diet and has not returned for 5 months
Khari I see the same thing ....

IS84... I understand what you are saying , your kitties were treated for Giardia/coccidea and another parasite ?? It may not have been coccidea involved .. every article I have read says that coccidea does present with obvious illness .. my vet also said there is no way he can possibly have it.

However if his tummy doesnt improve on the RAW ..then i will insist on treatment for it ..if he then improves Ill fire my vet :wink:
 
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