If we're speaking of the same Eric, he just insinutated that in the opinion of vets, any vet interested in hoistic medicine is dumb. He says he's an intern! But he's a claims adjuster. Dr. Jean has researched holistic medicing and nutrition during the ten years since she got her DVM. That just increases her knowledge of all aspects of veterinary medicine. Such arrogance some of our members have. It shocks me. This is twice in a week I have pointed out that she IS A VET, not an amateur. Angel, of course, at 22, with several months of working in an animal hospital, knows much more also! :wink: We'll be lucky if she continues to visit us.