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There seem to be a lot of issues with baby formula too... so apparently it's bad to be a cat or a baby if you want to eat safely :-/
 

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Ech. SO glad that I joined this forum, learned about Hill's and took my kitties off of it a couple of months ago!

Isn't propylene glycol one of the things that people use to poison others? I saw it in the ingredient list of something I looked at recently and nearly fell over. I wish I could remember what it was.
 

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I wonder what this Science Diet reformulation will bring...
I doubt it will be anything exciting. They say it will be more natural...but hey, arsenic is all natural too...
 

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Isn't propylene glycol one of the things that people use to poison others? I saw it in the ingredient list of something I looked at recently and nearly fell over. I wish I could remember what it was.
It's an ingredient used in non-toxic antifreeze. As far as I know, you couldn't really kill someone with it. It does, however, has a sweet flavour, so I guess it could be used to mask something else.

I know this because PG is one of two main ingredients used in electronic cigarettes (along with vegetable glycerin) - which I've become very familiar with in the last few weeks. Though inhaling it can cause headaches in some people with a specific sensitivity, the only real downside of it is that it dries you out. There were some tests on dogs and ingested PG causing kidney damage, but the dosages were through the roof. I can try to find that article if you're interested.

Would I feed exclusively a food that contained PG? Probably not. However, I personally haven't experienced any side effects (except being a bit thirsty, but that's worth it to be off smoking) and there isn't any science out there that I'm aware of that small doses could kill a cat.
 

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I'm still ashamed of myself for feeding my cat and dog commercial pet foods in the past :{

I can try to comfort myself and say I didn't know any better at the time, and at least I always bought grain-free, but still!

I remember spending weeks researching ingredients like carrageenan and trying to decide/decipher if it was dangerous to my cat or not.

Reading about the Hill's reformulation makes me want to throttle someone. I can totally see why it makes perfect sense to the manufacturers to make "coated" pet kibble, but it enrages me that they don't give a rat's patootie about what it means to the PETS. If the kibble is coated in a polymer, HOW is the pet supposed to DIGEST the kibble?! Can dogs and cats somehow digest polyethylene now?

I am now terrified to give my cat ANY treat that isn't 100% normal ingredients - e.g., freeze-dried chicken. I used to give her senior vitamin supplements and a joint supplement, but now I'm leery.

I'll take all the "risks" of my cat's current raw diet over commercial pet food any day.
 

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I've been feeding raw for a little over 8 months now and my cats are some of the happiest I've met. My male's urinary issues have stayed gone since moving him to raw and the only issue I have now is remembering to close the bedroom door at feeding time so he can't drag his food in there to eat! My female, upon coming home, was immediately transitioned to wet food, and was devouring raw a few days after that.

When I was feeding kibble, I was obsessed with finding the best I could within my price range, but even then, i wasn't too happy with what was available. My vet was trying to push science diet and I was having none of it!

I do tend to feed temptations treats but I've thought of nixing those as well in favor of small tidbits of cheese and cooked egg that get gobbled up in milliseconds...


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Everything everyone eats is dangerous... Cows eating corn? Really? Corn was useless 100 years ago now we shove it down everyones throats.. And can we can genectically modified organisms???? Jeez, we have a serious food crisis in the US
 

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It's an ingredient used in non-toxic antifreeze. As far as I know, you couldn't really kill someone with it. It does, however, has a sweet flavour, so I guess it could be used to mask something else.

I know this because PG is one of two main ingredients used in electronic cigarettes (along with vegetable glycerin) - which I've become very familiar with in the last few weeks. Though inhaling it can cause headaches in some people with a specific sensitivity, the only real downside of it is that it dries you out. There were some tests on dogs and ingested PG causing kidney damage, but the dosages were through the roof. I can try to find that article if you're interested.

Would I feed exclusively a food that contained PG? Probably not. However, I personally haven't experienced any side effects (except being a bit thirsty, but that's worth it to be off smoking) and there isn't any science out there that I'm aware of that small doses could kill a cat.
Propylene glycol has been prohibited for use in food for cats because of a species-specific reaction in the body, as noted in the Code of Federal Regulations, title 21: Food and drugs, 582.1666-propylene glycol.

Cats have been known to be attracted to the sweet taste of propylene glycol.

I discovered it in a spray used to destroy incontinence odors. (My wife had problems in that regard.) I contacted the manufacturer, since the label reads "Non-toxic, non-allergenic, environmentally safe.” Unless you're a cat.

Haven't heard back yet.

Harv
 

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It's not even just the cat food industry; it's the food industry in general! Here in Canada, food inspection practices have definitely seen better days. Its seems like every time you turn on the news, another food product is being recalled.
 

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It's not even just the cat food industry; it's the food industry in general! Here in Canada, food inspection practices have definitely seen better days. Its seems like every time you turn on the news, another food product is being recalled.
exactly. you get salmonella from peter pan peanut butter, schwann's ice cream, e.coli from spinach and jalapeños, and then we start killing people with listeria on rocky ford cantaloupes.

i'll see if i can link to the westword article, it's not so much about contamination as it is the smell: there's a dog treat plant on 32nd and walnut, which used to be strictly an industrial area. however, they decided to get trendy and sell lofts down there and call it RiNo. well, the people who bought are highly disturbed by the smell of the dog treat plant, "over the past two weeks, the smell of a rotten grease trap filled with decomposing bodies has filled the air."

it's called kasel associates, but the neighbors call it the "pig ear factory" because it uses them in its treats. and the colorado department of agriculture found that some of their American Beef Bully Stick dog treats were salmonellaized. the treats had been sold under the boots & barkley label at target.

they use pork femur bones, cow hooves and beef trachea. mmmmm, yummy. i don't think they make cat food but i hope he gets fined again and again until he either goes out of business or cleans up the problem. i know that smell from purina factory (it's on i-70, so first you go by the coliseum and smell the stock yard, then purina, then keebler LOL)

RiNo neighbors are raising a stink about factory smells in their ’hood - Page 1 - News - Denver - Westword if you want to read the article about the bad-smellling factory. i read it and i know there's nothing bad in it but it's kind of long.
 
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